Kurds reach deal with Damascus in face of Turkish offensive

Crapping on and betraying our allies is a "good" thing? Sound like 1984. "War is peace" !!

 

You not appreciate that the geopolitical policies of Russia is to isolate the US from influence around the word do you!

 

You have just defined surrender.

 

Remember what Trump said in 2016? He said that he could go out on fifth avenue and purposely end people's lives and his base will still support him.

 

Putin is proud of his trained puppy.

 

If a country within Russia's sphere of influence would rather break from that sphere and join the U.S. sphere of influence, I would welcome that. But let them choose it. I am not interested in using military power to try to achieve that in cases where the country in question is no threat to us, and Syria poses no threat to the U.S. Sure ... they've got some residual ISIS and AQ cells. But so does Pakistan, Yemen, Iraq, Somalia, Libya and several other African nations. Furthermore, in Syria, those cells are opposed by just about everyone - Syria, Russia, Turkey, Iran, and the Kurds.

I want them all to sort out their problems without us. Syria is not our responsibility. If ISIS should manage to reconstitute and take ground again, and all of those forces aligned against them cannot deal with it, we can always bomb them into oblivion again.

 

I get that this action is consistent with your interpretation, but it is also consistent with his campaign promises, and as a candidate with an upcoming campaign, Donald may grab at this sort of decision as some desperate lifeline with his base and independents/ moderates who generally supported a get- out- of- foreign- wars platform.

In any case this was not a well planned and orchestrated move on Trump's part ( it may have been a very adroit move by Putin). It was impulsively executed with no thought or care whatsoever for the lives of allies.

 

And who is in OUR sphere of influence in the area?

 

ISIS cells are more than a few cells. Furthermore more importantly is that the ISIS members have melted into the surrounding areas and are positioned to take over villages and return to the terrorism that they are known for. The borders in that area are not secure so ISIS fighter have by now infested the entire area.

 

Why was this "inevitable". The Kurds had carved out their little territory long ago and no body bothered them because they knew they would have to answer to us......and we walked away.
A total embarrassment.
Which is worse....Obama following tradition and bowing to an ally or Trump saying "Hasta la vista, baby"

 

Just because that so called POTUS made campaign promises that does not in any way make that promise(s) the right thing to do.

True you say that this may be an " adroit" move by Putin.

 

Yes, I have heard this argument before, Partizan. Translated, this argument is that the U.S. must not leave Syria until every last ISIS fighter has been rooted out and killed or captured.

How long do you think that would take? In my opinion, it would have no foreseeable end.

 

Wait, Trump is a hero because he quit on an ally and you twist it into us getting out of the imperialism business but when Obama pulled us out of Iraq on the time table set by the previous President he was mislabeled "The Father of ISIS".
No, there are no good things on the global horizon for the US.

 

Absolutely true, but it is also true that just because the facts might fit your interpretation, does not mean that they do not just as readily fit one without Putin as proponent of the action. Donald has wanted to do this. Maybe he talked to advocates in his own administration, or other Trumpettes, or Turkey or or Syria who told him what he wanted to do, he could just do, and that now was as good a time as ever.

 

It does me, because it was the US that allowed it to happen.
Did you miss that part?

 

I am not in any way saying that we need to satay there forever. Yet look at what happened after Trump speaks to Erdagon. Turkey caused mayhem after Trump apparently gave the signal either by accident or on purpose for Turkey to do so. Now after criticism Trump says he in imposing sanctions. Sanctions to stop Tirkey from doing what Trump now claims he did not give Turkey the OK to do.

The end result is that Turkey is doing what we and most of the world except for Russia wanted. So did Trump give that the OK eithet inadvertently or on purpose? Either way the results are the same.
Trump opened the door and the horse of the apocalypse is out of the barn and Trump is trying to use sanctions to get the horse back in.
Like using a bandaid to stop the bleeding of the coragec artery which was sliced by a razor knife from bleeding.

 

Wait......what? You think that's a good plan?

 

If you theory is true and it may be but sadly the results are the same. ISIS is freed up to regroup, our credibility as a country that stands up for our allies is gone, and the Kurds are being killed.

 

looks like a big step towards Turks and Kurds fighting each other, rather than Isis.

 

How so?

“A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty. The means of defense against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home."

- James Madison, 1787

 

For achieving liberty? Yes.

 

You are admitting our presence is the reason that they were able to "carve out their little territory". That's why I said it was inevitable and would not last, as the reality on the ground has verified. Why would we stay there permanently without a clear directive to give the Kurds a country physically using our military on the ground to ensure it.

 

You know the US has a base in Turkey.

 

Yes, I know.

 

It has more than one base or at least used to. Back when I was active duty we had many radio listening posts and RADAR installations point at the Evil Empire in Turkey.