Largest Ever Survey of American Gun Owners Defensive Gun Uses

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  1. Bullseye

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    Ok, I give up. You keep repeating the same things over and over.
     
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    Because he knows he has no substance behind his claims.
     
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    What would the murder rate be if there were zero DGU's.
     
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    its a silly debate since public safety has almost nothing to do with what motivates the avid gun restrictionists
     
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    Is there a white paper that shows that this is valid?
    Is there a single factor that influences the murder rate?
     
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    ~ There are a few ongoing unofficial " studies " regarding this topic in areas like Chicago, Pittsburgh , Baltimore, Washington DC ... etc. Cities with strict gun-control suffer the most violence.
     
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    Their nonsense only works on people who don't use their brains.
     
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    James California Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ~ It's great for the hoodlums, gangs , drug dealers and criminals.
     
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    I am glad that someone has more authoritatively articulated the frequency with which firearms are used by ordinary citizens to defend themselves from violent criminals who either remain at large or are prematurely released on society by the Biden Administration.

    Finally there are real life statistics for those of us who have been forced to deploy a firearm when suddenly faced with life or death situations we neither anticipated nor wanted

    No one want's to be in a stressful position in which one must decide whether one is to be the victim of violent predators or, when all else fails, the position of executioner because one's troubles are rarely over after you are forced to squeeze the trigger.

    Thanks,
     
  10. Pro_Line_FL

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    Self defense at ranches/farms......hmmm.....if you say so.

    What page? Page 1. It seems you didn't read the article.
     
  11. Reality

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    They ARE resulting in fewer homicides. IE without those DGUs the homicide rate (and violent crime) would be astronomical.
    Compare the homicide rate now with that over the last century.

    Further: Read the black gun ownership halts lynchings study. THERE is your hard proof.
     
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  12. Reality

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    No guns allowed, average male vs average female. Who beats the dog **** out of whom?
     
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    Why do you want to make it easier for minorities to succumb to mob violence?
     
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    and if the anti gun hysterics were right-we would have had a huge increase in homicides by gun shot over the last 30 years where 100 million more guns were bought by Americans.

    we haven't. The overall rate of murder has actually decreased
     
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    Four-fifths occurred inside the gun owner's home or on his property, while 9 percent happened in a public place and 3 percent happened at work.
    ^

    9 percent of DGUs total happen in public, 3 percent in the workplace.


    Two-thirds of the respondents who reported owning AR-15-style rifles said they used them for recreational target shooting, while half mentioned hunting and a third mentioned competitive shooting. Sixty-two percent said they used such rifles for home defense, and 35 percent cited defense outside the home. Yet politicians who want to ban these rifles insist they are good for nothing but mass murder.

    ^
    This describes the intended uses of the firearms IE This is my target shooting gun or this is the gun I grab for home defense or this is my truck or bag gun I carry with me.
    That does not equate to them having had to be used in extremis.
     
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    Maybe a helpful diagram will aid their understanding? I know some people are purely visual learners.
    2a.howitworks.jpg
     
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    Ah you're talking about the article itself in the OP. There were a few other links in the next few pages as well as links off the article and the study itself, so it was a lot to unpack.

    I found the area in the original article you're talking about:

    Two-thirds of the respondents who reported owning AR-15-style rifles said they used them for recreational target shooting, while half mentioned hunting and a third mentioned competitive shooting. Sixty-two percent said they used such rifles for home defense, and 35 percent cited defense outside the home.

    As you can see, there is overlap in what people were reporting for owning AR15's....so multiple reasons could have been listed.

    It does appear they are discussing why it was purchased....not that it had actually been used in that capacity.

    Like I said though, "outside the home" could mean on properties, and 2 legged predators are not the only things you need defense from. I know guys that carry them to protect themselves from this:

     
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    Yeah I think it's pretty obvious that 97% of AR15's owned by people have actively been used in self defense.
     
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    Men don't need anything other than their fists to easily victimize women.

    That's why the worlds best female boxer was destroyed by some no name male boxer in the first round.

    It's why women's professional sports teams are destroyed by high school boys teams.

    It's why the women of Ukraine fled the advancing Russian army while the men protected them.

    This nonsense of women fighting men is pure fantasy, and the only chance a woman has is an equalizer, and there is no better equalizer for a woman than a gun.
     
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    This is almost certainly the case.
     
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    Fail. There are about 500,000 non-fatal firearm victimizations per year.
     
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    Guns make the victimization worse. It's like throwing gasoline on a fire.
     
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    Have *not.

    Slippin today.
     
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    I figured you were just being sarcastic
     
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    No they don't.

    If a man lives with a woman, a gun makes zero difference for the man.

    When someone sleeps in the same house as you, all you need to do is wait for them to fall asleep.

    The only person it makes a difference for is the woman.

    That's why the studies you have been linking are almost 50/50 in how they're killed. About half of the total homicides in the home are from knives/blunt objects/strangulation.

    While the study doesn't indicate how many WOMEN are shot vs stabbed/beaten/strangled...it's obvious that a gun isn't needed to kill a woman.
     

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