legalize all drugs - free money and freedom

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  1. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    To accomplish that a person would need to drink copious amounts of absinthe where they might just possibly meet the Green Fairy.

    BTW I've never actually heard of anyone hallucinating from the use of marijuana just like I've never heard of anyone actually hallucinating from the use of absinthe. To cite what they say about absinthe the "rumors that it is a hallucinogen are greatly exaggerated."
     
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    Exactly.
     
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    What's the percentage of harder drugs users that use harder drugs that start out smoking marijuana? Some studies show that most harder drug users had started out smoking marijuana, however, when I watched Foundation For A Drug Free World's videos where people that were former users of harder drugs such LSD, cocaine, heroin, ecstasy, meth, had told their testimonies, most of them did not mention starting out with marijuana. These studies seem very contradictory.
     
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    Do you support legalizing marijuana, or are you against legalizing marijuana?
     
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    I believe our federal Congress should justify drug war tax rates to be delegated drug war powers.
     
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    What do you mean by "delegated drug war powers"? What's that?
     
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    If somebody smokes pot and gets behind the wheel of a car and causes a car accident, then there is a victim. This is why pot should stay illegal.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    They are contradictory because they are anecdotal. We must also understand that the last person that should be trusted when it comes to the reasons why they might do something are the persons themselves. People tend to make excuses for their negative behaviors and they are not professionally trained in understanding "cause and effect" so they're generally wide of the mark on knowing the actual reasons for what's wrong in their own lives.

    The "anti-drug" advocates resort to dishonesty is trying to imply that correlation equates to cause. For example how many hard drug users smoked cigarettes or drank alcohol before they started using "hard" drugs? How many rode a bicycle before they started using "hard" drugs? Is the decline in the number of pirates really the cause of global warming?

    Correlation does not equate to cause.
     
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    Our federal Congress is only delegated the social Power to Tax, to pay the Debts, and Provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States.

    Our federal Congress is limited to those social Powers, specifically enumerated as delegated by the People.
     
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    If someone works until exhaustion and gets behind the wheel of a car and falls asleep and causes a car accident, then there is a victim. That's why work and sleep should be prohibited. Hell, automobile travel should be prohibited except for official reasons. After all, if there could, possibly, be a hint of a crime sometime in the future if one makes decisions that are unwise, than anything involved in that decision making should be banned, according to your ridiculous reasoning.
     
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    Wow, so now the only reason to make something illegal (simultaneously destroying thousands of people's lives) is because of something they may or may not do?
    Should caffeine, all pharmaceutical drugs, and tobacco. I also hope you never partake of alcohol as these are all worse than weed has ever thought about being.

    Stiff penalties ONCE someone commits a crime that endangers someone else; not because they could potentially hypothetically harm someone.
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    Sure, but why make the problem worse? We should not ban cars just because banning cars will reduce car accidents. However, why add to the problem? Why make it worse?
     
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    The problem won't "get worse" and could, in fact, get better. Once again because marijuana is an illegal substance we're not going to see a safety campaign related to safe usage now are we? While studies have shown that there is no difference between accident rates for those that have not smoked marijuana and those that have smoked marijuana driving under the influence of any substance that significantly impairs one's driving ability is not advised.

    It is ironic that many prescription drugs come with a warning "do not operate heavy equipment" and a car is "heavy equipment" but few people take this warning seriously. They should but they don't.

    On the flip side we have warning labels on alcohol bottles that warn women to not drink while pregnant and those would possibly be ignored but there has been enough supplemental information about drinking while pregnant to stop most women from drinking because alcohol is legal. With legalization also comes the ability to address problems with substances we consume but so long as they remain illegal it's "politically incorrect" to address safe use of the substance. Legalization actually leads to better consumer information about a product which would be a huge plus for marijuana.

    Once again it must be noted that marijuana is not like alcohol. Marijuana use does not impair judgment while alcohol does. That's why typically marijuana users that drive tend to slow down and actually pay more attention to their driving to compensate for the insignificant reduction in reaction times. That's why people that have smoked marijuana don't get into more accidents than those that haven't. They're paying more attention to their driving as opposed to less attention which is juxtaposed to alcohol consumption. Alcohol impairs judgment but marijuana does not.
     
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    Where are you getting this idea from? If somebody is stoned, by definition, they are under the influence of marijuana to the extent that their judgement and thinking abilities are impaired.
     
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    The same question could be asked of nanny-Statists who refuse to burden their constituents with nanny-State tax rates while claiming we have more problems with Individual Liberty regarding Arms, due to forms of Prohibition, in modern times.
     
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    What does this have to do with marijuana legalization?
     
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    Most US States claim to secure an inalienable or indefeasible and natural right to acquire and posses, and defend, private property, even in the class called Arms not just drugs.
     
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    Do you support federal legalization of all drugs? Or should the states should just make the rules, in your opinion?
     
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    There is no longer any delegated, social Power to Prohibit forms of Commerce among the several States.
     
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    While not directed at me I will address this.

    The federal government does not have any enumerated authority to prohibit the use of any substance by the American People.

    The States, under their State Constitutions, do have the authority to provide for the welfare of the People of the State but I would argue that, in this case, the Rights of the Person supersede the authority of the State. The use of drugs is a "victimless" crime in and of itself. Yes, a person can create a victim by an action but that action can only be indirectly linked to the possible use of drugs. For example driving a car and getting into an accident is related to driving the car and has nothing to do with a person sitting on their couch at home and smoking marijuana or doing heroin. We cannot stop the irresponsible actions of a the person but we must address the actual action of the person that creates the problem. Smoking pot or doing heroin is not directly responsible for automobile accidents. Driving a car irresponsibly for any reason is the direct cause so we should address the direct causes and not the indirect causes where a "victim" exists.
     
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    Prior to 1907 any drug was available over the counter. Rate of opiate addiction was higher then now.
    But little or no crime associated with distribution or use.
     
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    I would dispute this claim. While opiates were available OTC today the addition to "pain killing" drugs such as opiates is far greater than during the late 19th Century. Today these are predominately prescribed drugs but the addiction still exists and prescription drugs today represent the major drug problem in America today. We cannot simply say the were OTC before and not "Prescribed" drugs today as if there is a difference between the two. Obviously if no prescription was required in the 19th Century then all of the addiction was related to OTC drug usage.

    The Rush Limbaugh's and Michael Jackson's represent the primary drug abuse problem in the United States today and not those using illegal drugs. IN fact, excluding marijuana that is not a "hard" drug, legal drugs represent the most serious problem in the United States today.

    http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/topics-in-brief/prescription-drug-abuse
     
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    I believe a nanny-State should require nanny-State tax rates.
     
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    On this issue of drug legalization, I am somewhere in the middle. I think both sides make good points. I disagree with your argument that drug usage is a victimless crime, but I also disagree with some of the arguments which people make against drug legalization. Some people are against legalizing drugs because they believe that even if legalization solves many of the problems which are caused by drug prohibition, they believe that drug legalization sends the wrong moral message, and therefore, they are against legalization.

    How would you respond to those arguments?
     
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