Lets celebrate! First gay-free city is in Moldova!!!

You're human. In due time you'll be affected as we all are.

 

Wait. Are you really trying to equate your apparent discomfort having gays live nearby with something like being turfed out of a town?

The offense you take seems wholly out of proportion to your injury. So you don't like gays. Big deal. They don't much like people like you, either. Except they have a legitimate reason to fear folks like you. You have nothing to fear from homosexuals as long as you can resist taking that tiny, delicious step over to the dark side. If you think about it at all, which I'm sure you don't. But still.

 

I'm sure you're aware that the majority of pedophiles aren't gay. And you might think it possible to choose to be gay. Maybe you can envision it. But although I'm completely gay positive I couldn't choose to be gay any more than I could choose to enjoy eating glass. At best, at gunpoint maybe I could chew down some shards but no matter what you or I did I could never enjoy it.

And that's what being gay means. You don't have to have sex with a member of your gender to be gay, but if you do choose to, you're going to enjoy it. For you to even consider homosexuality a choice indicates that you've thought about it, decided to stick to the hetero world, but could totally understand making a different choice if things were different.

As opposed to eating glass.

 

Wait, are you saying that there are cities there where homosexuality is embraced, no gay person ever needs to feel pointless shame, they can marry and hold their heads high like the peasants who chased them out of their houses in the middle of the night?

Or are they free to leave the horribly homophobic area to live in a slightly less homophobic area? Because that's hardly the quid pro quo you smugly make it out to be.

 

Sure. It's fine until it affects you. What if I had a serious problem with people whose first name started with A? I don't know, I just don't trust 'em, you know? Would you feel your rights were being trampled on if you were forced to leave for what you might seem perfectly arbitrary but for me, well, I feel the offense deep in my heart, you see. Your mere presence nearby is abusive to me.

Who's the crazy one here? In a rare turn of events it's not you, it's me.

 

Of course I am and I want to be heard as well and I want my rights to be respected as well. What is wrong, if I don't want to be around gays? It's freedom. It's right. And it should be there. No one should be forced to be around someone, they don't want to.
So, tell me, what you are trying to prove me? What all this never ending mumbling should mean to me?
Look what other people tried. They tried to prove me something. Like one was trying to mess with me by comparing himself to a grocery store and another was bringing me down by defaming Russia. They didn't succeed.
So, instead of this never ending mumbling, why don't you just explain me what are you trying to prove. You know, without splitting my current post and making total nonsense out of it, by doing this. Like many trolls do.

Lets see an example. Let's say, you like to eat maggots. I find it weird and I don't want to be around such person like you. I don't care, you can eat them, marry them, have sex with them, etc. It's your business. But I don't want to be around you, since I find what you do is disgusting. And it's my business.
So, why I shouldn't have a freedom as not to be around you? Why I should be forced to tolerate you? What have I done to you, so that I should suffer by being around you?

 

Your "rights" to be heard should be no more than that of others; and your right to be respected ENDS where you infringe upon the rights of others. You want a fight, you'll probably find one.

It's not sane, to think that you could/should isolate yourself from "gays"; and you will not ever achieve that with any level of certainty in this world. You need to face reality.

You sound very narcissistic to me.

Please, learn that YOU and what YOU want in this world, isn't necessarily what you shall have. If you don't ever wish to compromise, or live your life in a way as to allow others to live theirs... that would mean something is wrong with you... not them. (Other human beings besides you have "rights".)

You should learn that from accepting reality. You aren't and never will be living in a bubble. If you think that you are, you are suffering from some neurosis (or several of them).

Look at yourself, and stop judging other so much. If you are UNHAPPY... that is very likely one major cause.

Be yourself; they don't likely know you and you are not "Russia", anymore than I am "America".

Judging by the way you are expressing yourself here... they have surely affected you; likely more than they should have been able to.

I'm not so mush proving things to YOU (per se), as I am providing others who view the discourse here with optional thoughts to ponder. I WISH you would come around to being more humane in your views... but it certainly isn't my sole purpose in participating here.

You have many disjunct THOUGHTS stacked into a single post. I will cut it up as I see fit, in order to address your commentary. I'm not altering your statements, just reflecting back to you what I see in your words. Others may have ways of encapsulating or summarizing your entire post... but that is neither my goal or purpose in responding to you here.

Let's say that you dislike gays... I find it weird. Yet I do not see where I have a right to dehumanize you for such a habit... despite the fact I would find it unsanitary and disgusting. It's just like me having to live in this world with people who think as you do; I know I will likely ALWAYS be around people like that.

I don't care that you find homosexuality disgusting, as long as you don't think that your literally POOR justification for dehumanizing and vilifying the same... will not go unchallenged. I understand and accept your right to NOT participate in homosexuality or be forced to observe it within reason... but you aren't thinking sanely if you think/believe you could/should truly isolate yourself from all homosexuals.

And the way YOU are is YOUR business. No doubt about that.

You have your opinion(s)... but that will not 'truncate' my rights here in America. And if YOU or anyone else seeks to reduce or remove my human rights... then there will be a serious conflict. You need to face that reality, and live accordingly.

Only in your MIND should you have such "freedom". The world isn't partitioned off as you would 'prefer'. What you're suggesting is rather silly, offensive and disgusting in and of itself. You may not see that, but millions of Americans (and others) surely do.

Generally, because there are certain LIMITS (by law) in most places... concerning how human beings actually treat one another. Again, in YOUR OWN MIND, you are free to harbor as much hatred and disgust of homosexuals as you prefer; once you ACTS upon such thoughts, you take on a different set of consequences. After all, other people won't necessarily tolerate YOUR intolerant behavior; and by law in many places they are justified (but perhaps not in Moldova, a place I'll suggest that people not ever visit).

You need to answer the questions you ask, ultimately in some reasonably acceptable fashion. You will not ever have this world to yourself.

 

It doesn't make any sense to read this, since you broke apart all what I was trying to tell you. All message is loosing it's since, because you break the logic and trying to respond to a single sentence. You didn't do what I asked, you disrespect me, so tomorrow I will do "Zeig Heil" again in from of gay couple. They will pay for your nasty behavior.

Perish foil power, perish.

 

I totally lost what you are trying to tell me here. Sounds like total nonsense. Do you understand yourself at all? Read it one more time.

I have a job here, I have friends here, retirement plan, etc. I won't move, unless I see a guarantee that in a place I move - it will be gay-free.
So, better option would be to keep the SF the way it is and make for example San Mateo, Contra Costa or Marin country gay-free. It's fair isn't it - you don't need to move far. Moldova is a first place, we need to see how long it will last too. I move and then gays will do something to force these people in Moldova again to be around them, like it's some kind of violation of rights.
So your suggestion is a nonsense until we see more gay-free places around the world and don't send me anywhere. Why don't you move somewhere and create a gay-only city/state/county, pump each other in the ass and be happy?

 

So what are "rights of others"?! Others have a right to force me to be around them?! So, no one should respect me, if I don't want to be around certain people? And you stand for human rights? Get lost, ha-ha-ha.
You fail.

And this is a response on torn out from context "What is wrong, if I don't want to be around gays? It's freedom"?! I am not going to achieve a level of certainty? What reality I should face? That I should be forced to be around gays? I will do what I want to do. If I want isolation, I will isolate, if I don't, I don't. It's my human right.
You fail.

And this is a response on torn out from context "It's right. And it should be there. No one should be forced to be around someone, they don't want to. " I sound "narcissistic" to you! Because I don't want to be around people I don't want to be! Ha-ha-ha!!!
You fail.

And this is a response on torn out from context "So, tell me, what you are trying to prove me?" I am tired to heard this - what I can have and what I can't. So, again, what are you trying to prove me?
You fail.

I should accept YOUR reality? You know, I am my own. Why don't YOU learn how to accept MY reality. I don't want to be around gay people. This is my reality. Create me a gay-free state, county, city, etc. And I will move there.
You fail.

And this is an answer on torn out from context: "Look what other people tried. They tried to prove me something. ". Where I am judging somebody? And if would judge somebody, why do you think I can't? Are you forbidding me to judge somebody?
You fail.

For some reason, I am not myself... Hmm... Oh, my God, I am not myself!!!
You fail.

What a statement: "they have surely affected you"! It fell again out from the sky! So, where is a prove that they have affected me? This is the way you want me to think, isn't it? You are like some kind of God, knowing what affected me or not. Ha-ha-ha! I definitely affected them, it's for sure. Look what happened to them. They couldn't prove me anything. They failed. You just thinking that trolling will break my will and make me to shut up and I will quite to stand up against "gay rights". This is you dirty game, Jonny-C, isn't it? Ha-ha-ha!!!

Yes they did affect me - I've learned the way people are trying to mess up with me, in order to stop me from posting things against gays, like you too. I know now for sure why I should never tolerate and hate gays. 100%! So, you troll and you think it will make me to quit?! Well, it's a good mind exercise and experience, learning different ways of suppression and persuasion people are using to justify a tyranny!
You fail.

So, I am not humane, because I don't want to be around gays? Ha-ha-ha!
Why don't you be more humane and acknowledge my rights - as a right not force me to be around other people I don't want to be, huh?
You fail.

It's loosing it's sense then one post is broken into thousand peaces. Why didn't you break it on single words and respond to each word I wrote?
You fail.

YOU find it weird, YOU: Jonny-C. I don't care what YOU find weird. You are not alone in this world and other people are not like you. Why don't you learn how to respect people with different views?
You fail.

And this is a response on torn out from context "I don't care, you can eat them, marry them, have sex with them, etc. " Since he broke whole thought, "them" are meant "maggots".
So, you challenge my wanting and my right as not to be around people I don't want to be, right? So, on your opinion, I have to be forced to be around people I don't want to be around, right? Thank you! And you are saying that I am "dehumanizing" somebody. Look are yourself first, who is narrow and disrespectful and inhumane! You contradict yourself.
You fail.

Again, torn out from context. He responded on torn out from context phrase "It's your business.". Good example how thoughts are loosing their sense when single sentences are torn out from context!
You fail.

You have your opinion too ... but that will not 'truncate' my rights here in America. And if YOU or anyone else seeks to reduce or remove my human rights... then there will be a serious conflict. You need to face that reality, and live accordingly. So, if I don't want to be around gays, no one should remove my human right. And it's currently removed!!!
You fail.

I see a statement "Only in your MIND should you have such "freedom"." So, you are dictating me where I should have a freedom as not to be around gay people? Be human. I am a free man as you and no one will dictate what kind of people I should like and not like, be around and not to be around. Under the gun(as danger to be fired for not liking gays, hunted down by mass media, called "haters") , 50% (or something like that) of Americans surely support gay cause! Sure they would! No one wants to be fired, called "hater", hunted down by mass media. In USSR, Stalin was supported by 100% of population, because nobody wanted to go to prison or be shot. Hello, free America!
You fail.

 

Law. What is this law - discrimination of people who don't want to be around gays?!
You fail.

And this is the answer on torn out from context "What have I done to you, so that I should suffer by being around you?" What the hell does this mean?
You fail.

Yea, due to this, again, I don't feel any moral retrain, obligation or remorse if I bully gays. If I see gay is bullied, I will support it. If I see a crime, when gay is a victim, I will walk away and never testify as a witness in support of a gay victim. I will, I promise. People like Jonny-C only fuel hatred. And this is my protest of this tyranny, as forced coexistence with such disgusting people as homosexuals. These gays will say "thank you" to you. I remember this. I will teach my kids to hate gays too. They are my kids, not yours. I will teach them what to think, not mass media.

So, you've wrote a lot, but I see a complete sense in your writing. I think you are mentally imparted or something. It's all easily getting defeated or proved as a total nonsense, or even more, tyrannic.

So, again, you support forcing me to be around people I don't want to be?! You support this tyranny?! And you summon me to be a "human". Be a human yourself, first.

 

People change and so do laws; sometimes for the better.

You have never attempted to see this from a more humane perspective. There is a LOT for you to work out; I cannot and will not answer your stupid question.

Suit yourself; and you're only human. You live in the world you make for yourself.

And you live in the world you make for yourself, plus those you love. Don't fool yourself.

It's sad that you wouldn't be humane. Others will pity and despise YOU.

No, I and others like me don't do that at all; please, stop imagining that reality is align with your singular perspective.

You're living in a world with many HUMAN beings in it; you will be expected (for most of your life) to treat others accordingly.

Yeah, try to remember something worthwhile, like the things I'm pointing out to you with this post.

In due time, you and your kids (in some way) will suffer the consequences of your choices; bank on it. You aren't living on some isolated island.

Okay.

You write and post your opinions; that is what I do as well. And you are correct... I DO try to make complete "sense" in my posts.

Yes, I'm imparted with a bit of reasonable understanding and knowledge. Knowledge about how live and let live. But no, I don't back down from irrational animus, my African American heritage contains a saga that contains struggle and facing those things which are inhumane and contentious (such as your expressions toward homosexual people. And I'm not the only person who will fight your 'evil' in some way.

No, you'll be challenged exponentially more than you seem to be aware of. Regardless of what your problems with homosexuals are, they are human beings; you may not accept that emotionally, but at some point you will be force to realize the same (if you truly have not already).

So again... I support your being reasonable humane toward other human beings. It is ultimately your choice; choices can have positive or negative consequences. Yes, you must make your own decisions. What will those be? (That is something to ask YOURSELF.)

 

Why would you have the right to restrict the freedoms of gays?

Communist swine are getting pretty uppity these days.

 

There is no LAW which 'forces' you to be around gays; and absolutely no law forcing you to act as a homosexual.

Please, be realistic.

 

I'm confused what do you mean "if" you were gay. I thought you already stated that you were gay.

 

For those who don't want to 'live around gays', gays do not want to live around you. You should be restricted too.

 

No ones forced you to be around anyone.

Maybe you should move out of San Fran then. Course, why would you want to move away from somewhere so faaabulous!!

 

Things changed. I consider myself to be mostly straight, but I wouldn't say no to a woman.

 

Wake up! Laws against "discrimination" are forcing me to be around I don't want to be around. Thanks!
Regarding moving, I already answered it many times. Scroll back and try again.

 

You would actually stand by and watch as a gay person was beaten to within an inch of their life? And then refuse to say anything in support of them? You honestly do not care that gay people are murdered in some countries, or hung because of their sexuality? Or that gay teenagers are kicked out of their own homes because their parents hate the thought of their own child being homosexual?

I am sorry, but that is the most disgusting, cruel, revolting, sickening, stomach churning piece of trash I have ever read. I have encountered many people who are opposed to homosexuality. That is fine. But I have NEVER come across a single person who happily admits that they would not give a toss if a gay person was beaten to death right in front of them.

Your opinion is shameful, your post is shameful. And I wish I could say a hell of a lot more than that, but I can't. All I can say is that your confession here makes me want to be sick.

 

Martin, there are gay people on this forum. You have responded to them. Therefore, you allow yourself to be around gay people. Don't you?

 

I think as long as you remember to wear an undershirt the risk of infection while sitting online is minimal.

 

Moldova a country with a miniscule approx 3.5 million people. Let's hope 'they' all stay there and don't spread any more of 'their' diseases and despicable lifestyle around the world.

 

I am trolled and bulled here, just because I support freedom as not to be around people I find disgusting. We should have this freedom and not to be pushed upon each other. Moldova is a great example of these 2 way freedom, when 2 parties are respected. All of you, seems like can't get it. You've done nothing against bulling and trolling, I am forced by law to coexist with gay people, so why I care about them so much, people who took away my freedom? Yes, I don't care. You bull me and troll me, I will do the same to you. I have valid reasons.

Ok, I've heard enough of this bulling and trolling just because I have an opinion, which goes against mainstream.
Same issue is getting thrown at me over and over, in a different forms. You might not say rude things, but some of you act rude. I don't find anything dehumanizing or defaming in my views, when someone want/doesn't want to be around someone for whatever reason.
If you all don't know when to quit, I quit. I was on this thread since February.

 

Just admit you're gay and we can all be done with this thread.