Liberalism Vs. Socialism

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    Where in the UK are you from?
    Because my position is freedom.
    My position has suffered my train go on strike last year because of ASLEF and RMT because Corbyn lost the election and so called for his Summer of Chaos against London.
    Jeremy Corbyn and Owen Jones are anarchists and why is Jeremy Corbyn the only pro Brexiteer on Labour's side? Because Jeremy Corbyn and Putin both hate the UK and so think this is a good time to mess up the country.
    In the face of Brexit, London's protest against Brexit was stalled, and delayed over the last coup.
    He put his own party before me, when I and everyone else was going on Facebook waiting for the Pro EU March that was on hold because Corbyn moved into Parliament Square, ON BREXIT!
    **** him. That's insulting...





    You know how big Brexit was.
    I assumed David Cameron the pig ****ing porno hating tax avoidance stopping only good for Liberal ideas such as Coalition government and EU referendums and Scottish referendums - I assumed he would have fixed it, made the UK stay in the EU...
    Democracy works, I was shocked.
    We were out of the EU.
    I was butt hurt, knowing how close we are to Calais first hand, in London/with all the people of the world including EU; I was shocked, and a Remainer...
    Fell out with Corbyn when he took over Parliament Square.
    Needlessly took over public land on such a historic day in a town, my town, that voted remain, and didn't even do it for anything, but a Labour struggle.
    **** Labour.
     
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    Your position is based on hatred. Socialists have fought fascism tooth and nail. They continue to do so. To call Corbyn a Nazi only shows how reality and honesty isn't available to you.
     
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    Are you even in the UK?
    To judge my way of life and support Corbyn's attack of it.
     
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    Hatred of
    • those who want to abolish 0 hour contracts
    • end the pay roll industry
    • call for anarchy
    • annex public property
    • annex private property
    • hates freedom
     
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    Call me a left wing Tory
    Who loves his Freedom
    And his Country
    and hates this pacification by the Nanny State BUT loves to have a free society and a tax bill to help out our vulnerable.

    You don't get or understand 2018 freedom do you @Reiver
    Not a history lesson from another year, but this day and age.
    What Corbyn wants in his manifesto is dangerous for society, our security, and our jobs, national sovereignty, our freedom; to make this (Westminster) a command economy.
     
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    What of Brexit and Eurostar?
    Does any else here care about this?
    I do.
    That's how much of a Remainer I was.
    I don't know what the hell your position is except to tare down my one.
    To make it all run by the government and streamlined until it's Ninety Eighty-Four out there.
    No.
    Anti Semitic, anti freedom, anti capitalist, pro Brexit in a party that isn't, pro party politics before national concerns over Brexit who marched into and took control of Parliament Square in June 2016 - July 2016 starting the day after the referendum and Brexit came in and all he could do is fight to keep his job within his party.

    I'm not racist, I'm not homophobic or Islamophobic or anti Semitic or anti Liberal agendas;
    I'm anti Corbyn and Pro where I come from because I'm cool with it;
    If life's a lottery, being born in London, coming home to Soho, City of Westminster....
    I like it.
    Could be worse!
    That's why I like where I'm from.
    Got the British Museum down street and I still haven't been (yet).
     
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    Calling a socialist who has fought racism all his life a Nazi is nothing but hatred.

    And the real threat to Britain? We're living under it: neoliberalism. It has already done its best to destroy the economy. Inequalities run amok and all of the good work on reducing child poverty destroyed.
     
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    What you want is for skilled jobs to pay more.
    Not equality.
    What you want is more skilled jobs.
    Not high income taxes.

    Equality means we're all equally screwed by the government robbed of the opportunities to better ourselves.
     
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    Wondering how do you profit off of someone earning that much money?
    Quick answer: You don't!
    That's how you get them into the country, which in turn brings jobs and wealth.
    Competition and regulation brings improvements and lowers costs giving the public a better life.
     
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    I'm not interested in right wing grunt. Britain twins high income inequality with low social mobility. That is the sad reality.
     
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    What is sad is giving cash money away when food stamps would lower addiction.
    What is sad is not having that fear/drive to succeed, so you don't have to worry about your body or your future and can sponge off the state.
    What is sad is paying for mothers to give birth to kids on the NHS who's not even giving birth to my children, and then paying for that mother to raise her baby that isn't mine because her and her man are stay at home parents.
    Why am I paying for these children?
    Why should I be forced to support that lifestyle?
     
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    What nonsense! The idea that welfare payments are sufficient to fund addiction is laughable. Of course the real issue with addiction is the spillover effects into property crime.

    This is repeat of the right wing grunt. We know that supply side economics is a crock. We also know that social democratic countries, adopting policies that Corbym favours, actually exhibit greater social mobility (and escape underclass problems).

    You're always free to naff off to a right wing haven which doesn't support public good provision. Good luck!
     
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    Seriously, what country are you from?
    You've never seen people waste their benefits on computer games, drugs and alcohol then wonder why they need money for cigarettes?
    Are you SUUUUURRRREE you're British, because I see a real problem, a real waste of public spending that's making addicts and children out of everyone that can be resolved with a food stamp/voucher scheme instead of money; so I can't be wasted.
     
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    You can't spend a food stamp on a Playstation4 Game.
    But you can buy clothes, school uniforms, food, medicine, water, heating, gas, electric white goods, internet with a voucher to replace giving cash money and saving my money from being misspent and the feeling of being poor with benefits when cigarettes and booze and drugs and gambling is taking from people who don't have the budget for their vices.

    They don't like it?
    Try and get a job.
    They can't get a job?
    Start up your own business!
    Can't succeed?
    Try try and try again.
    If not, at least you have clothes, food, water, heating.
     
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    You're upset that you can't tell people how to spend their welfare? Ain't you an authoritarian.

    Has welfare money been used to buy a pint or packets of cigs? Of course. To suggest that is enough for addiction is laughable.

    We know that most property crime is committed by target income addicts. Reality isn't your pal!

    If you're worried about money so, why don't you get your Tory chums to target the tax dodgers? This is massive relative to your welfare whine.
     
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    How about make somewhere inside the UK a Tax Haven if not the whole of the UK more competitive post Brexit with a Tax Haven?
    And learn to live independent than turn away and ignore people going to food banks after they've pissed away my money for a lifestyle of sloth and equality I don't condone.

    They waste my money pissing it away because we have no vouchers for them, just the refugees.
     
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    If you say it's inhumane, why is good enough for refugees?
     
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    Refugees are already getting what I propose to replace benefit money with.
    UK has these food stamps already.
    You can't say it's a inhumane way to live if it's deemed good enough for asylum seekers - because you're not a refugee, that means you have the right to watch Family Guy! and waste my money on drugs and computer games. You shouldn't;
    Refugees who come to Britain seeking asylum don't get cash money, why should it be fair that those claiming benefits get cash money?
     
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    Jeremy Corbyn is a national socialist.
     
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    UK has this all the time....
    If America had this, you'd see Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton have regular televised debates. (Wouldn't that be interesting)?
    But; hey, what they do in America is and should always be up to America, I just like that the UK has this.
     
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    This continues to be an absurd claim which merely questions your reasoning ability.
     
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    He hates Jews, and I do not believe for one second he sympathises with Zionists.
    He must hate a Rothschild.
    He must hate their influence and everything.
    He's only sorry he got caught out not being the golden Liberal Child, but in fact, he must hate the Jews.

    He, like Hitler, distrusts the same things and ran around calling themselves Socialist.
     
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    All made up that only describe your irrelevance. Where on earth do you get your warped ideas from?
     

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