Liberalism Vs. Socialism

Jeremy Corbyn's Facebook or Twitter being shared where he wanted anti Semitic murals saved.

 

Saying he's not a racist after a week of his racism hitting the press, isn't going to wash.

 

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/jeremy-corbyn-arsene-wenger-apology-anti-semitism/
@riever
You can't call it fake or ignore that.

 

The mural is actually anti banker, but let's not reality get in the way.

I appreciate right wingers are sheep. I also appreciate that they aren't clued up when it comes to basic political economy. However, in the ignorance stakes, calling a socialist a Nazi really takes the biscuit!

 

First of all, you accuse the Jewish community of making a fuss over a mural you say depicts bankers.
Second of all, you treat it like bankers are fair game for discrimination - They're not!

Adolf Hitler was anti banker too, and was a Socialist.

 

Very true. Jonathan Cook has an excellent article on that here.
http://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/antisemitism/the-making-of-a-moral-panic/

 

"Nazism is a form of socialism" is a crow originating from the least knowledgable. It requires ignorance of both fascism and socialism. I'm sure those making such claims, however, can count milk bottle tops. Not a total loss then!

 

"I am a National Socialist" -Adolf Hitler
It's called history, look it up.
He and Corbyn hate the same things.

 

Refer me to one credible source that says the Nazis were socialist. Good luck!

You're a good advert for the Tory party mind you

 

If Hitler was'nt a Socialist, then Corbyn isn't a Socialist.
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/hitler-and-the-socialist-dream-1186455.html
If Hitler was wrong to call himself a Socialist, then isn't Jeremy Corbyn wrong to call himself a Socialist too?

 

Technically Corbyn is only supporting social democracy...

I'm glad you've made this mistake mind you. It has advertised that your right wing position is based on fluff and nonsense. For a proper comment on Hitler, try the historian Kershaw:

"[Hitler] was wholly ignorant of any formal understanding of the principles of economics. For him, as he stated to the industrialists, economics was of secondary importance, entirely subordinated to politics. His crude social-Darwinism dictated his approach to the economy, as it did his entire political “world-view.” Since struggle among nations would be decisive for future survival, Germany’s economy had to be subordinated to the preparation, then carrying out, of this struggle. This meant that liberal ideas of economic competition had to be replaced by the subjection of the economy to the dictates of the national interest. Similarly, any “socialist” ideas in the Nazi programme had to follow the same dictates. Hitler was never a socialist. But although he upheld private property, individual entrepreneurship, and economic competition, and disapproved of trade unions and workers’ interference in the freedom of owners and managers to run their concerns, the state, not the market, would determine the shape of economic development. Capitalism was, therefore, left in place. But in operation it was turned into an adjunct of the state"

 

You're ignorant of what Jeremy Corbyn really is and accuse Adolf Hitler of not knowing what he was or what he believed in because you're quick to distance yourself from him, which I can understand, but why would you run to another? Jeremy Corbyn and Adolf Hitler were left wing radicals who hated above all else; Jews, Capitalism and personal freedoms.

 

Didn't you read the manifesto? You make ludicrous claims and then blubber at me? That's pathetic.

That Hitler knew nothing about socialist political economy is well known. That he used the term socialist as camouflage is also well known, as described by Fest:

"This ideology took a leftist label chiefly for tactical reasons. It demanded, within the party and within the state, a powerful system of rule that would exercise unchallenged leadership over the “great mass of the anonymous.” And whatever premises the party may have started with, by 1930 Hitler’s party was “socialist” only to take advantage of the emotional value of the word, and a “workers’ party” in order to lure the most energetic social force. As with Hitler’s protestations of belief in tradition, in conservative values, or in Christianity, the socialist slogans were merely movable ideological props to serve as camouflage and confuse the enemy"

However, its 2018. You have no excuse for your ignorance.

Again with the childishness. This subject deserves better than a Tory ranting drivel.

 

Why don't you fact check Adolf Hitler being a Left Wing Socialist instead of relying on me?
http://wsau.com/blogs/ben-armstrong-blog/20344/fact-adolf-hitler-was-a-socialist-and-on-the-left/
Because you're Labour, that's why.

 

You think that's a credible source? Crikey, its even worse than I thought!

 

Of course, I read it, then became a Tory, in that order.

• abolish umbrella companies/the pay roll industry
• abolish 0 hour contracts
• nationalise everything

 

That's okay, Hitler distrusted the West too.

 

Did your ignorance of political economy determine your Tory politics, or did your Tory politics engineer an ignorance of political economy?

 

Yeah, Corbyn hates the Jews and the money men and calls himself a Socialist, and yet, you're like the Iraq Infomation Minister in 2003 telling the world 'There is no war here' with an Apache flying in the background.
It's like; Anarchy and dis trustfulness of Capitalism and when your leader comes under fire for expressing his personal believes you're like 'That's not Jewish, what are you talking about, it's bankers, evil evil bankers'.

You picked the wrong side to be on if you don't agree with Hitler.

 

Don't dodge with random drivel. Did your ignorance of political economy determine your Tory politics, or did your Tory politics engineer an ignorance of political economy?

 

My love of this country and its people made me a Tory.

 

A nationalist? What a surprise! Nationalism does engineer a natural hatred for political economy. Its the authoritarian personality run amok after all

 

Of course, you would go there wouldn't you, I wouldn't expect an anarchist like yourself to care about anything but their selves.
Your view of patriotism is a toxic one, and probably comes from some poor broken down sorry part of this country, because it's not in South London.

 

Corbyn is no Hitler

He lacks the one thing that made Hitler great. Patriotism. A strong sense of social unity with the people of his country, pride in it and a duty towards them.
A willingness to put his own life on the line.

I don't look at Corbyn and see a man of action.
Hitler was.
Nor do I see man of great personal dynamism and inspiration. Hitler was.
Nor do I see a man of the people. A working class hero. Hitler, was.

Corbyn isn't a threat like Hitler.
Will Corbyn's philosophies rapidly break down into coercion and violence?
Actually they have as much potential to do this as Hitlers did since they are fundamentally the same.

Only he and Hitler aren't the same. Ideology maketh not the man.
And this isn't Germany for that matter either.



You must be flexible in your ideology.
It must not become a Dogma.

If my mind is my sword, when my opponents mind becomes a shield, my mind must be acid. To corrode and melt that shield. An eagle to soar above it and **** from a great height. A laser bean to burn right through it. A famine to starve any army. I must not still be a sword. Beating on the same old shield that still defeats me. My ideology is a thought only.
It's allowed to change.

Corbyn is not flexible, Nor progressive.
His ideology has long since passed it's prime.
It has been countered. It has been tried and found wanting.
Rose tinted blinkers for a past that never was. An historical dream that was dreamed by many but achieved by none. About as radical as your gran.