Long-term Lancet study, vaccines don’t prevent death

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  1. Nemesis

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    It's strange how the truth makes you laugh.
     
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    over 46,000 adverse affects doesnt seem too complete to me
     
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    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    Variance? I think you should leave biostatistics/epidemiology to the public health experts. You don't seem to get how to analyze this. Most people don't. But most don't pretend they do.
     
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    I think you need to validate your metrics and conclusions!
    I think you are simply dodging what presently remains a valid claim at least unless and until you prove otherwise.
    Feel free to articulate why you believe your analysis is correct and why you believe mine is not.
     
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    every time I get a headache I get vaccinated with an aspirin!

    over 90% of the population for new zealand had all the jabs, and as soon as they lifted the lockdown covid cases took off like a rocket!

    So how many more jabs before they are immune?
    Will they ever be immune? I think not, so then its not a vax at all.
    Its an aspirin taken prn
     
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    It's a really basic concept for epidemiology, but I don't think I glossed over it. The groups are not comparable. This is not a controlled trial, it's ecological data. Those who are getting boosters, are more often getting them because they are higher risk and in poorer health. Their baseline poor health is what is driving their higher mortality, not the boosters, and the boosters aren't saving them from their cancer or heart failure, obviously. On the other hand, before the second wave, healthy persons were getting vaccinated as much as unhealthy. Not that this group is necessarily comparable to vaccinated either. But lo and behold, in the 2nd wave the vaccinated had much lower mortality. Also consider that in later waves, the less deadly omicron variants became predominant. This makes any effect harder to see, let alone untangling the confounders.
     
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    Show me where it states that there was an increase in births in Australia, by month and state. Go and get those stats yourself from the ABS. I guarantee you will not find what you want to back your claim, but rather that of backing my argument. Keep it coming.

    How can it be a conspiracy theory, you do know how they work, don't you? I'll help.
    A conspiracy theory is such when there is no evidence or proof to back up the claim. However, when there is evidence or proof, then the 'theory' part gets dropped and you just have a conspiracy. In all these cases, I have provided proof and evidence. They are conspiracies, just because they challenge the paradigms of many, that their weird science is challenged does it get dismissed by them? To hard to swallow the brutal truth.
     
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    Ive seen no actual data to support that, post it please.
    secondly from personal experience most of the people I know healthy or not are terrified and get all the jabs out of fear, that throws a wrench into the logic you are using unless you actually have data that demonstrates your point.
    Same for the unvaxd
    again we dont know the health status, for all we know they may have been the unvaxed (like me) who were already immune! I need data before I can agree with your theories.
     
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    Your choice of words doesn't reflect it.
    How is it "cherry-picking"? There are over 1000 reviewed papers, the ones I selected for you were to demonstrate what is contained within the article. This obviously has to be pointed out.
     
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    What you pedal is far from the truth. That's why I giggle when you think you're being told the truth by the unelected bureaucrats.
     
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    We do know the health status, actually. I re-looked at the graph, and boosted is actually not the correct group for my point, but my more important point is still valid. To the extent that the groups are different in terms of mortality in the graph toward the end, it is related to their underlying health status. Your post #37, the last figure has it at the end that the health status of the group with the highest mortality was poorer at baseline. Here's that figure for reference:

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    Looking at the overall graph you posted earlier (while referencing ones I have above), the info that can be drawn from it is that being vaccinated saved lives in the 2nd wave (early graph), but later on other sources of mortality were so much more significant than the less-lethal omicron variant, that the effect of covid and covid vaccination is drown out by underlying health of the groups. Here is that graph for reference:

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    You mean career professionals are silly to you? You think we should ELECT bureaucrats/career professionals?

    That's quite amusing. And unsophisticated.
     
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    This is your thread, not hers.
    And your title, is not the title of Dr. Nass's webpage. How could you possibly think, you "had nothing to do with," your own title? This has got to be the most brain-dead argument I have ever heard, on PF-- and that's saying something! I am not going to send a "nastygram" to the Dr., because of your misrepresenting of his or her work. (Duh!)

    Apparently you can't acknowledge the truth-- which disqualifies you as a source for any medical information-- or you are too thick headed, to understand something that is patently obvious. And FYI, you don't see what my problem is. My only "problem," is that you aren't content to have your thread-- which I told you, I wanted no part of-- but keep trying to impugn me, through throwing pointless & false charges, out at me.

    The title comes from your search, right. You typed in the words? And, besides the Lancet Study itself, a bunch of other stuff came up under that search, as well? So you think it is fair to use the words of your search, for any one of the millions of hits it comes up with? Talk about weak reasoning.

    Guess what also came up, from the exact same search:

    Mirage News
    https://www.miragenews.com › flu-...
    Flu shots can protect patients with heart failure from death
    14 hours ago — An international study led by McMaster University researchers and published in The Lancet Global Health has found that influenza vaccines...

    So I suppose you'd see it as not at all misleading, for me to start a thread about this positive finding about the flu vaccine, and title my thread: Long-term Lancet study, Vaccines don't prevent death?

    You are only discrediting yourself, in advance, for any future debate, on any topic, by holding fast to such an im******* argument.
     
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    Yes but what percentage of the New Zealanders died? Same here in Aus - our overall death rate remained low post vaccination
     
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    So, the planet reached the 8 billion mark the other day for population, seems to be that we obviously didn't contribute to that number.
    Career professionals that are too spineless and gutless to question and challenge the official narratives. Those ones? Compared to those who do question the moral and ethical questions, who get silenced.

    Anyone who has the ability to impose their will onto others should be questioned and challenged.

    I have provided sufficient data and info on the topic, what have you?

    It's only unsophisticated to those who are challenged.
     
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    It's not what you said or didn't say about the mRNA shots, it's about the peer-reviewed papers you smite.

    screenshot-www.politicalforum.com-2022.11.17-09_22_12.png
     
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    ~ Most alarming is that FDA, CDC, Pfizer and Moderna all were well aware that mRNA shot did not induce sterilizing immunity — hence the necessity to change the definition of "vaccine " from prevention to "protection". Dr. Deborah Birx states this in her book. The hope was that mRNA would prevent serious complications from covid-19 infection — which apparently it does not.
    The entire mRNA experiment has been a total failure destined to cost taxpayers billions and untold needless deaths .
     
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    And that is because there is a vast difference, which is acknowledged in the medical field and academia as a whole, between a case report and a systematic review of the literature.
     
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    Yes because everyone underestimated how quickly COVID could mutate - if you want miracles you should be praying to a deity - however I have yet to witness any known deity responding about COVID
     
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    Glad you appreciate what is essentially a parody website showing how conspiracy theorists are manipulated
     
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    Love the dodge mate;). Now you have seen the bigger picture and not the cherry picked twaddle that idiot on you tube was trying to selll…….
     
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    I could say the same for you on this topic and others. But I don't need to.

    I like how you "dodged" this one. The same data that the guy in the YT video was conveying. Want to avoid it, figures. :below:

     
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    I addressed it - did you not see my link to the ABS? The one that shows more recent data?
    https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/births-australia/2021

    Summary statistics
    2011 2020 2021(a)
    Male births 154,996 150,943 158,917
    Female births 146,621 143,426 151,079
    Total births 301,617 294,369 309,996
    Total Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander births 17,621 22,016 23,510
    Sex ratio 105.7 105.2 105.2
    Total fertility rate 1.92 1.59 1.70
    Total fertility rate for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander women(b)(c) 2.31 2.25 2.34
    Crude birth rate 13.5 11.5 12.1
    Net reproduction rate 0.923 0.769 0.819


    1. Data for 2021 show an increase of 15,627 births registrations. This follows lower birth registrations in 2020.
     

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