Looks like the U.K. will never be able to have freedom of gun ownership now

No I didn't. That's one dangerous closet!

 

We are all for Arlene hanging in there... she does better than the Robinson threesome.... and more scandal coming....drip, drip

 

But in that unlikely scenario - would you be grateful to me? I'll tell you one thing - nothing would give me greater pleasure than to have a gun and use if for that reason, your kid or anyone else's. It would make my day.

 

Actually probably not. I don't know how accurate you are. The last thing I would want is an escalation of violence with my kid in the middle of it. I would prefer to let the trained professionals deal with it to de-escalated the violence if possible

 

But I'd be removing your kid from the violence? Or would you rather I didn't have a gun and just stood and watched your kid being taken by a paedophile? If there were a 'trained professional' on hand to do it then I wouldn't involve myself.

 

Facts are facts, UK and France have much less murders than U.S.

For France, you missed all the arrest that french police did because some terrorists were gathering guns and ammo, or all the time a terrorist attacked french soldiers with a machete or a axe and were shot without any big consequences.

 

Who wants to emulate Euro trash?

Plenty of Euro citizens moved to the US with no desire to go back.

 

I would hope you would intervene, just you don't need to have a gun to do that.

Considering at the time all you know is someone is trying to move a reluctant child, for all you know that person was actually me with my troublesome child. You just shot me dead and now my child has no father.

In any even, if the person was a "baddy", if there are generally more guns around he would have made sure he was armed, and hence the overall risk profile is worsened.

Plus then you starting to fire your gun around the place, well 6Gunner here would have seen that and shot you dead. And someone would have seen 6Gunner pull his gun and shot him. And so on and so forth, until everyone in the world is dead.

 

Not to be nit picky but you put "freedom" and "U.K." In the same sentence?

 

The following is your kind of world...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...eds-allegedly-watched/?utm_term=.9887da1a45b1

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/ken...too-masculine-as-people-stood-by-and-watched/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-Philadelphia-street-broad-daylight-man.html

Two days ago, a fellow had fallen down steps to a street by my house. I saw several people literally walk over him to get by. I went over to him, saw he had gashed his head, stopped the bleeding, and call 911. Turned he was a diabetic that went into shock and fell.
If that's your kind of world, one where people look on to an unfolding tragedy like a herd of zebra watching a lion pride take one of their own while they gawk and thank the stars it's not them, I want no part of it. If I found people stood by while one of my girls was being raped, I'd blame them as much as the scum involved.
We are breeding people to be part of that herd that stand by an does nothing... I'm no hero, but I couldn't live with myself if I did nothing in similar circumstance...even at the risk to my life.... I have in fact, intervened in situations more than once, and in fact thwarted one abduction where thugs tried to, pull a teen girl into a van and another where a fellow tried dragging a inebriated woman into his car at a car park against her will (people didn't help there either because the fellow threatened passerbys, including me).... in that case he claimed it was his girlfriend... she wasn't.
Anyone opening fire before knowing the facts is subject to the law for damages and should be, but anyone doing nothing and just standing by should also be subject to damages if they do nothing and could have.
In almost every major mass shooting we find after there were indications and people did nothing. Then there is outrage, particularly from the left, not for those that stood by, but to further restrict guns as if that was the real problem. I say the root of the problem lies elsewhere.

 

Sorry that fact hurt your feelings.

 

An attitude that while seemingly noble on the face of it is just stupid and can get you killed. On the Somme in 1916, they thought their artillery had destroyed the German trenches when they got up and walked up to the German lines just like that they thought it was 1776. Pipes and bands were playing and some of them were kicking soccer balls in front of them. In less than hour 20,000 of them were dead. That's what attitude will get you.

 

Incidents such as Dunblane are exceedingly rare, even when firearms are commonly available.

First and foremost, concealed carry in the united states is growing by the millions. Apparently there are a great number of individuals have no problem with being armed for their own protection, because society will do nothing to protect them.

Secondly, there are quite literally no examples to be found that would show how someone who is legally carrying a concealed firearm, has had it taken away form them by a minor, or any other individual for that matter, who then used it in a manner that harmed either themselves or another. It is simply not happening in the united states, or it would without doubt be present on the various news outlets to show that concealed carry if a bad idea.

And of them, how many of the individuals responsible for the acts procured their firearms in a perfectly legal manner? How many of the cited incidents are considered legal activity?

And as is being demonstrated in another discussion thread the both of ourselves are involved in, deaths attributed to prohibited narcotic substances are nearly six times higher.

The number of deaths and injuries attributed to firearms in the united states are statistically minute when compared to other causes that are often disregarded as simply not presenting a threat to the public.

 

This is a classic strawman argument

 

No it is not, each day many good people with guns stop bad people wanting to harm.

Would you like me to post some links?

Same old false information coming from you.

 

Yous is a classic strawman answer.

 

Post many links please !

 

It is an American myth that is not played out elsewhere

 

That is Rich !
An Australian explaining American mythology with Australian mythology......in order to disprove American Gun mythology......
ROFLMAO

 

To be honest I'm getting really bored of arguing with the same half a dozen American gun nuts. They seem to hate the fact that the UK is a far safer place to live because of the scarcity of guns. They turn this hate and fear of a gunless society into a belief that we are weak and unable to defend ourselves. They attempt to smear us as having no freedoms just because we have no rights to gun ownership. Maybe in a nation which has more guns than people such as the US you really do need guns to protect yourself but here in the UK that is not true and they hate it. There have been endless threads started about British or Australian gun laws and they all end up arguing for the existence of guns in the USA.
I think that the freedom to go about my daily life without the need to carry a gun for protection is a freedom they just don't understand.
I am changing my opinion of the gun death epidemic in the US from ridicule and derision to one of pity and sympathy. They will of course not understand this because they live every day in fear of bad men with guns.
Sucks to be American I guess.

 

I hate to break it to you, but you are unable to defend yourselves. Fixed it for you.

 

Molotov cocktails have been around for about 100 years. In fact this is the 100th year of the Russian Revolution (against the Tsar).

 

I would rather be alive than safe.

 

WHAT IS "an American myth" @Bowerbird ??

Please complete your sentence with a proper noun not a dangling reference with a pronoun ("it").

I can't tell what you are trying to say.

 

The Europeans do not WANT "freedom of gun ownership".

They have been socialist and fascist for over 100 years. That is at least 2 if not 3 generations.

It is impossible to grow balls if you were not born with them.