Looming Disaster - Trump Inching The USA Closer to Another War

Trump supporters: Iran is a huge threat! Iran is dangerous! Iran is run by suicidal maniacs!

Also Trump supporters: Iran cannot threaten the US! The US could defeat Iran easily! Iran is absolutely terrified of US might!

The contradictions are endless, and the dissonance boundless.

 

A sea of Democrats.

 

If a Trump supporter is a government servant and loyal to Trump (or any other person or entity) rather than the Constitution, that person is in violation of his/her Oath of Office and should be impeached and possibly tried for treason.

 

We are fighting asymmetric wars every day. Democrats have declared war on Jewish people in NYC since Jewish people are seen as symbols of American capitalism. I imagine some will walk away as I did years ago.

 

I think a significant number of people should be killed in order to classify something as a "war".

Not one or two people every now and then.

 

The Nuremberg Principles do not specify any specific minimum number of casualties that can be classified as a war crime. So just 1 is considered an act of war and a war crime and I agree 100%.

 

trump recently pardoned a convicted war criminal..

my guess is his administration believe similar to bush's

"call it a war and it is not crime"

 

Rewriting the dictionary as they see fit. War is a war crime. It always was and always will be.

“War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength.” - George Orwell, “1984”

 

I hear that at times here, but don't see the comparison to lefties....
Where as on the right you have Trump and a sea of MAGA hats.
So how do you come up with that conclusion?

 

I never mentioned the government. I said "it's better than every other country". Read for comprehension. You created your own strawman so go argue that one with yourself.

No I'm afraid not. Delegation of authority is not divestiture of authority.

The act of delegation does not remove authority and responsibility from the delegating authority.

This is basic information you can learn in like 10 minutes if you'd put in the effort.

Again you seem to have problems understanding what delegation of authority is. I can't help you understand that delegation does not equal transference. You'll need to figure that one out on your own.

I'm afraid it's not unconstitutional. The act of engaging in warfare was split between two branches of government intentionally in the Constitution. Defining it to the legislative, and executing it to the Executive.

If you can't understand that using your enumerated power of legislation to declare the enumerated power of war is Constitutional you again have a comprehension problem.

No, you didn't explain anything. International treaties have nothing to do with our Constitution per se. I asked WHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION does it define the "declaration of war".

It doesn't.

It doesn't because the founders gave the responsibility of defining what warfare is, and how it is to be declared, to the legislature....and the responsibility of waging it and engaging in foreign policy to the Executive.

Besides, you hoisted yourself on your own petard with this answer.

If "every single international treaty that the US government is a signatory to is part of the Constitution", then so is every law Congress passes defining what "war" is and how it is to be waged.

I.E Your answer means the War Powers is definitely Constitutional. Which, of course, it is.

 

Trump is getting desperate as he adds new and unsubstantiated reasons for ordering the killing of Soleimani. In other words, he is lying. Americans know all this started when he destroyed the Iran nuclear agreement which permanently barred Iran from making a nuke and imposing harsh economic sanctions designed to destroy the Iranian economy. Iran has retaliated, and Soleimani's Trump ordered assassination brought us to the brink of war.

CBS reports, "President Trump added a new piece of information to his administration's justification for the deadly strike that killed Soleimani, saying on Thursday, without providing evidence, "We did it because they were looking to blow up our embassy."

"He was presumably referring to the U.S. compound in Baghdad, which was the focus of angry protests by pro-Iranian demonstrators less than two weeks ago.

"We also did it for other reasons that were very obvious," Mr. Trump continued. "Somebody died, one of our military people died, people were badly wounded just a week before. And we did it."

"The administration has claimed Soleimani was planning an "imminent" attack to kill Americans, but has declined to elaborate on specific plots or the intelligence underpinning their assertions, saying that doing so would compromise intelligence sources and methods."

The last is still another lie. The American people can be told the what, where, and how without revealing sources and methods. The problem for Trump is, there was no such plan other than vague Iranian threats that we have been reading about in our newspaper since 1979.

 

I don't give a rats ass SoS. The Iranians have done enough things against the U.S. over the last 40 years that another dead Iranian is of no cause for mourning.

 

Mussolini, Stalin, and Hitler were all left wing. They shared alot in common with Woodrow Wilson, the Patron Saint of Progressivism and rabid racist. Nazism is on full display in NY as lefties attack innocent Jewish people. The Capitol Bldg sports a statue of KKK Exalted Cleagle Democrat Robert Byrd. The Senate Office Bldg sports the name of Racist Democrat Richard Russell. Even deep blue Chicago sports a monument to Stephen A. Douglas, a proponent of slavery choice for the territories, but more importantly, his statement about 'Negroes' confirms he was a White Supremacist.

You been duped. Fascism, Stalinism, and Nazism were all artifacts of the left wing. To retain and bolster their power, fascist-like authoritarians wage war. Every major US conflict in the 20th Century was waged by a Democrat (self-dubbed Progressive) President. Theory = Fact ≠ Liberal Dogma.

 

Try a book detailing the facts: Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg. I just finished the audiobook. It was pretty good, but he isn't the only author to address the Progressive Era, the players and the connection between European Fascism and US Progressivism.

 

Being that we have been in an asymmetric war for at least a couple decades, why then are you saying we are "inching closer" to war when by your own definition a war already exists? Are you simply moving the goalpost to fit your needs at the moment?

 

Some info here. But seems to be much closer in comparison to the right....I underscored the likeness to Trump support

"Nazis took advantage of German’s fears of a far left or communist government take-over, as well as exploiting long existing and underlying prejudices by scapegoating a minority, the Jews, as being responsible for all their woes.
Hitler and his Nazis were handed the keys of government by the weak old guard ruling Germany in January 1933 in a jaundiced attempt to hold on to their own power, and the Nazis took full advantage of this by consolidating their own power and outsmarting their “handlers”. Unemployment dropped from 6 million to less than 1 million by 1937 and Germany regained the respect and prestige that it had lost after 1918.
The Nazis, having silenced or eliminated most internal opposition, were now firmly in control. They continued to appeal to German’s sense of pride and patriotism on a primal level with pageantry unseen since Roman times and an almost intoxicating “symphony” of music, color and symbolism which pervaded the nation. In a modern equivalent of bread and circuses, it reached it’s zenith with the spectacle of the 1936 Berlin Olympics, and all helped along by a propaganda machine that would make even today’s politicians green with envy.
But the events of 1938, which included the Anschluss of Austria and the Sudetenland crisis, revealed to Germans just how reckless and dangerous Hitler could be. That turbulent year culminated with Kristalnacht on November 9 and 10, and marked the unofficial start of the Holocaust. While most Germans were silent witnesses by that time, knowing full well what opposition to the regime could bring, most were also equally appalled by the persecutions, and realized the regime had gone much too far. But by this time the nation and it’s institutions were firmly in the grip of the Nazis, and most German’s realized there was little if anything that could be done to stop them."

 

Yeah, because of warmongers like you.

This might be one of the stupidest things I've ever read.

Most politically active Jews in America are leftists who hate Trump. All the best anti-Zionists are Jews.

 

You realise there are people who support the President, whoever he is, because we only have one, and others who voted for Trump because he was, to them, the least undesirable of two candidates, and others because he is more conservative than the other. They aren't all dumb zombies.

 

What you think has zero relevance to how war is defined in the English language.

 

Someone who supports the president regardless of who the president is is just a generic nationalist, not a "Trump supporter".

If you voted for Trump for those reasons, that can be defended. But still supporting at him after three years of broken promises, lies, and near-disasters cannot be defended.

 

Because "Trump Inching the USA Closer to Another Large Scale Conventional War In the Middle East" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

Now here is a question for you: Why, after years of overreacting to everything Iran says or does, are Trump and his supporters suddenly so blase about Iran launching missiles at US assets in Iraq? Iran's response is easily the most overt show of force against the US in Iran's history. If Iran had launched missiles at a US base BEFORE Trump killed their general, Trump supporters would be demanding nothing less than total war on Iran. Now Trump and his supporters are like whatever, who cares?

Good luck trying to wriggle your way out of that one.

 

In other words..... You want me to give you the benefit of the doubt for shortening your statement, that you expressly did NOT give the poster in your smarmy reply to them in which I responded to you. He said there is no war, and you got all high and mighty (ridiculously literal) when in reality he too clearly meant large scale war. As a reminder, your exact response was.. "Do Trump supporters not know what a war is? Do they think small wars or asymmetric wars are not still wars?"

Like Mr Brady said to Greg...."Exact words can be P-R-E-T-T-Y hard to live by".

This question is about as disingenuous as it gets....LOL....YEESH.

Because there is an ENORMOUS difference between killing their number 2 versus them providing prior warning and hitting some sand near where we have some soldiers. It was OBVIOUSLY a purposeful miss for them while still being able to tell their own people that they responded. If they had killed any of our people, Trumo had threatened holy hell. I am not surprised that their missiles "missed" our people. They even gave warning so that everyone would be in the safest places possible. Trump called their bluff, and they blinked, in a BIG way. You almost sound disappointed, when in reality, that was the best outcome possible. If you were truly so concerned about a large scale war you would be celebrating, yet you are using this is yet another excuse to attack Trump. What a shock.

 

I don't really care if you give me the benefit of the doubt. Titles have to be snappy and descriptive, so I used an economy of words that got my point across the most efficiently and directly. You can believe it or not believe it, doesn't really matter to me.

And there IS a war. When two nations attack each other, they are at war. End of story. Whether the war is large or small, conventional or unconventional does not change the fact.

So Iran launching missiles at a US base is no big deal as long as they give prior warning and don't kill any Americans. This is the new normal in the era of Trump?

Launching rockets at a US base is arguably the most overt show of force against the USA in Iranian history. That it amounts to very little in terms of its strategic impact only proves how exaggerated and overblown the Iranian "threat" has been.

It's funny watching you guys contort yourselves into pretzels as you try to balance all the contradictions inherent to Trump's latest blunder.

Having missiles launched at US assets is a "best possible outcome" in the era of Trump. How much lower can the bar get?

If a drunk driver nearly runs me over, should I celebrate after the fact?

I almost died but didn't! YAY!

 

For the past three years, Trump supporters have been trying to claim that Iran wants war, and that Iran is run by suicidal maniacs who long for martyrdom.

Now Trump supporters are claiming that Iran doesn't want a war because its terrified of the consequences.

So, which one is it? Both cannot be true at the same time.

 

Make up all the bunk you want, National Socialists aren't Conservatives. Mussolini was a Marxist before embracing Fascism. And Stalin ,,, give me a break!! The Nazis learned about work camps from Democrat Plantations. Hitler was an environmentalist ,,, who learned about eugenics from Margret Sanger. Hitler learned how to clean up the gene pool from Democrat lynchings.

There is nothing Fascist in small government Conservativism.