Major Study Finds Masks Don’t Reduce COVID-19 Infection Rates <<MOD WARNING>>

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  1. LangleyMan

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    It's obvious they almost certainly reduce disease from what happens to healthcare workers who wear them around COVID-19 patients. How well they work, especially compared to each other, is more of an open question.
     
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    What percentage wear NIOSH-approved N95 respirators properly? Do they wear them all the time?

    We probably should do respirator research where we provide people with N95 and better respirators and see how they do.
    "Smugly proud?"
     
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    The Big Government model has it's True Believers, and they seldom see it coming when their thing comes for them.

    "The attraction of evil and crime for the mob mentality is nothing new. It
    has always been true that the mob will greet "deeds of violence with the
    admiring remark: "it may be mean but it is very clever." The disturbing
    factor in the success of totalitarianism is rather the true selflessness of its
    adherents: it may be understandable that a Nazi or Bolshevik will not be
    shaken in his conviction by crimes against people who do not belong to
    the movement or are even hostile to it; but the amazing fact is that neither
    is he likely to waver when the monster begins to devour its own children
    and not even if he becomes a victim of persecution himself, if he is framed
    and condemned, if he is purged from the party and sent to a forced-labor
    or a concentration camp.

    On the contrary, to the wonder of the whole civilized world, he may even be willing to help in his own prosecution and frame his own death sentence if only his status as a member of the movement is not touched."
    THE ORIGINS OF TOTALITARIANISM, By Hannah Arendt, Meridian Books,New York, 1958.
    https://archive.org/stream/TheOriginsOfTotalitarianism/The-Origins-of-Totalitarianism_djvu.txt
     
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    Baloney, most ordinary American Democrats would not call themselves "progressives".
    Trump could not have won twice without massive support from DP voters.

    The DP party bosses and the bipartisan establishment elites are the problem. You know - the crooks - like China Joe Biden.

    "As they set about searching for deals, Hunter and Archer were eager to land business in China.

    In late 2013, Hunter traveled with his father to Beijing, where the vice president was set to meet with Chinese President Xi Jinping.

    While there, Hunter introduced one of his business partners, Jonathan Li of the Beijing-based private equity firm Bohai Capital, to his father, according to The New Yorker. Hunter and Archer had just concluded a large real estate deal with Bohai. In May of 2019, The Intercept reported that Hunter’s Chinese investment vehicle, Bohai Harvest RST, was invested in a firm that developed facial-recognition technology used in Chinese state-backed surveillance efforts."
    POLITICO, Biden Inc., Over his decades in office, ‘Middle-Class Joe’s’ family fortunes have closely tracked his political career., By BEN SCHRECKINGER August 02, 2019.
    https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...brother-hedge-fund-money-2020-campaign-227407
     
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    This Brit sums it up very well.

    Those who demand everyone comply with what they have been brainwashed to believe, will be the first consumed when their dream comes true, because they not only no longer serve any purpose and they are seen as a threat for selling out their own people for nothing in return, to a totalitarian dictatorship.


     
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    It is time to stop pretending that masks work to reduce the spread of viruses. By now, everyone knows they do not.

     
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    The Kronstadt sailers who installed Lenin are a good example of how that works.
     
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    Then it should be easy for you to produce strong scientific evidence. But somehow, you just haven't.
    Keep looking. Maybe you'll find it.
    Until then, your opinion is nothing more than speculation
     
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    Please point out the portion of their study that provides the strong scientific evidence that masks reduce incidence of disease, and we'll look at it together
     
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    Boy oh boy, that is heresy for the Church members! :lol:
     
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    With your infectious claims you should wear a full body suit, to protect others.
     
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    Nice own goal! All the vapour stayed around him when wearing a mask. Unlike what would happen if he did the same test with no mask - odd that he didn't show what would happen without a mask :roll:. He really needs to understand the meaning of the words "has no effect" Is that you?

    LOL at a video that claims the man is a doctor as if that makes the video more accurate
     
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    As soon as one begins to move their face, as with talking, swallowing, coughing, yawning, smiling, frowning, any other facial expression, the N95 quicly loses its fit and eminates aerosols though every escape rout that is created. Now imagine 600 ml of breath, 16 times per minute, 60 minutes per hour, 24 hours a day, emitting arosols through every opening, swirling around the wearer as he/she goes about her day.
    Feel pretty safe yet? ........me too:cheerleader:.

    Lets not forget thst those masks become quickly saturated with moisture, restricting flow, forcing more of the volume of inspiration and experation to go around the filter and through the openings.

    Sure the filters filter small particles.
    Who cares? What goes around the filters is more than adequate to spread disease wiith no measurable decrease in incidence, as the "science" guys on the forum have been unable to substantiate
     
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    No, "everyone" don't know that and you would have to present evidence they don't. N95 respirators do protect wearers.
     
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    Sure: The conclusion if you had bothered to look
    "The data were compatible with lesser degrees of self-protection." (null hypothesis was 50% protectiion)

    And we also can hear the lead author of the report saying that a mask provided 15-20% protection to the wearer
     
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    That's a statement.
    Please point out the actual scientific evidence of the study that demonstrates a reduction in the incidence of disease.
     
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    :above::above::above:Doesn't understand that nobody is required to prove that something makes no difference, the only proof required is that something makes a difference.

    Go open an elementary text on scientific investigation and educate yourself. This is getting embarrassing.
     
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    LOL That was the conclusion of the study based on the "actual scientific evidence". And we also can hear the lead author of the report saying that a mask provided 15-20% protection to the wearer
     
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    "The most important limitation is that the findings are inconclusive, with CIs compatible with a 46% decrease to a 23% increase in infection."


    "Our results suggest that the recommendation to wear a surgical mask when outside the home among others did not reduce, at conventional levels of statistical significance, the incidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection in mask wearers in a setting where social distancing and other public health measures were in effect, mask recommendations were not among those measures, and community use of masks was uncommon. Yet, the findings were inconclusive and cannot definitively exclude a 46% reduction to a 23% increase in infection of mask wearers in such a setting."
     
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    Read what it says for yourself...

    https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/
     
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    Here is a video showing an interview of the lead author: At the 1:30 mark "efficacy reduction of 15-20% in those who were wearing the mask ............. but on balance we have a small degree of protection. That is our conclusion of the study",
     
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    Funny, that doesn't appear anywhere in the study.
    You were going to show evidence?
     
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    Your graft antenna must have bent back double over Trump.
     
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    Although I'm not surprised you would say that, it had nothing to do with the question. Again, what percentage of the population is walking around with an N95 and goggles?
     
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