MAJORITY OF REPUBLICANS SAY COLLEGES ARE BAD FOR AMERICA (YES, REALLY)

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  1. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    Gosh, that actually sounds like you were a little hurt.... Liberal folks like to demonize those that aren't willing to adopt their agendas, and frankly, the behavior that is being demonstrated around the nation on college and university campuses does cause some of us great concern. In many cases this gets voiced in the way this poll found, that conservatives see colleges and universities as bad for the nation. And why not? when the agenda is teaching kids that its ok to suppress political speech, or to commit violence against those who don't agree with you, why wouldn't folks see that as not being in the best interests of our nation? We can post as many examples of exactly why conservatives feel this way, because they are reactions to the very words and behaviors of those liberal indoctrinators they themselves published. Should we take a look at them now? or are you willing to concede that there are examples too numerous to count that demonstrate exactly why conservatives should find this constant indoctrination to be so concerning to us? I could, for example, post the interview where the esteemed liberal professor justified violence against those he disagreed with on his campus. Or, we could post the video of other professors denouncing this nation in favor of prototypical socialist totalitarianism. You can choose, we have lots of time. And while I doubt that it will have any impact on your otherwise dutiful posting in favor of this insidious agenda, we can, should you choose.
     
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    What an uninformed post. At least they don't take Putin's word over USA intelligence services.
     
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    They the Democrats since that is what is coming out of colleges these days.
     
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    And thus you have demonstrated the welfare that is liberal academia...
     
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    Of course they are saying that. .the DUMBacrats are propsing free college for all, including illegals...republicans are just smart enough to know we can't pay for that...WISE UP ALREADY!
     
  6. struth

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    2008? The law change was in 2010.

    I am not talking about the Fed insuring loans...in 2010, the law was changed, the Feds took over the student loan business, you can't get a student loan anywhere else.
     
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    Borrowing limits were increased in 2008.

    It was more than insured it was guaranteed. Why the hell did you want the tax payer to go back to making a sweet deal with the banks?

    Taxpayer is paying in both instances. No changes just adios middle man.
     
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    To be clear then, Democrats are not liberals. The point of the white privilege narrative is to justify disparate treatment under the law based on race. The point of mass migration of illegals that hold a worldview different than the majority of citizens is to do away with the consent of citizens. The point of censoring speech is to suppress liberty. The point of disarming the populace is to suppress liberty.

    By your own definition, Democrats fail to fit the definition of liberal and do qualify for the definition of authoritarian, top-down governance.
     
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    Maybe I didn't phrase it correctly. The teachers don't threaten bodily harm, or key students' cars. It's the liberal students who do that if you voice a politically incorrect opinion.
     
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    Really? Liberals threaten conservatives? Doesn’t say much for the state of TX when liberals bully conservatives.
     
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    Again, you extrapolate to universities as a whole, when only a small % of classes even lend themselves to ideological indoctrination. STEM majors now outnumber humanities majors, a trend that started after the great recession. I am not saying that professors pushing political agendas don't exist, but in the STEM field they are certainly rare. I think it is also a myth that administrations push professors to advocate for political agendas in class. That's what academic freedom brought about by tenure is all about, the school cannot tell you what to do in your research, or only to a limited amount what you can teach in class. Obviously, when I teach a physical chemistry class, I cannot teach organic chemistry only in that class. However, the school never questions textbook choices, etc.

    Instead of ideology, the far bigger risk is the influence of money. Administrators actually do push professors to get more and more funding. They don;t care of the research is interesting or meritorious, as long as the money keeps flowing.
     
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    The feds still insure loans with the banks. The taxpayers are still on the hook since the DOE is funded by tax payers.

    A major difference is qualifications for loans, and the ability for a student to shop for better rates. There is no longer an ability to shop

    Whatever happened in 2008 is not relevant given he massive overhaul in 2010
     
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    In high schools, it's really bad. My son's best friend complained that his car was hit while parked in a parking lot by an illegal with (of course) no insurance. He was threatened daily for weeks.

    High schools are one big twitter mob.
     
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    I'm amazed at the retarded spin of this article. The culture of most universities ARE bad for America. They are divisive and do everything they can to limit free speech and promote a rigid ideology. Education is not bad, and no one says it is.
     
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    You have probably the least knowledge of anyone I have met when it comes to student loans. Are you sure you’re not Betsy DeVos?

    The rates were set by the government even before 2010. Even in 1991 You filled out FAFSA, the government approved you for loan, then the borrower just picked a bank of their choice who became the services. Bank cut the check to your school.
     
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    Sounds like TX has become a state of pu$$ys
     
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    I went to university in the early 70's. I too worked during school, on breaks and summers and had an off campus job while in college. My dad was self made and sucessful. He refused to allow me to go to any Ivy league schools. Even then, he thought they were too liberal. I remember showing him a pile of general studies course books I was required to take. He threw them aside and was angry that that was what I was being taught. He didn't think it had anything to do with my major. Those courses didn't directly but in retrospect I think they were all beneficial for a well rounded education. Had I only taken classes for my major, I would not have had the needed exposure to be able to carry on half way intelligent dinner party conversations with clients as part of my job in later life. Some of the liberal arts classes I hated, some I enjoyed. What I found was that they all had a connection to each other, e.g. learning some history has a connection to political science, etc.

    The other thing about going to college is, kids do need to leave the nest. If you don't go in the military first, college away from home is usually a good thing. I took some community college classes between transferring from one college to another but I found the kids there treated it like an extension of high school. It might be a good way to knock off some required courses but only if you can detach yourself from home and sometimes other people that don't want you to grow up.

    I remember my first year as a freshman living in required dorm housing. There was an older guy on each floor that was supposed to try to keep us out of trouble. He said, 50% of your experience in college will be academic and 50% will be social. I think that was a mostly true statement. I did get some help from my folks but paid most of my own way. My dad made too much for me to qualify for any financial aid. I worked so I wasn't broke all the time while in school. That by itself made a huge difference.
     
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    Folks picked banks based on the interest rates and plans offered
     
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    Who told you that?

    No they didn't. For all subsidized and Unsubsidized federal loans the government has always set the rate. Now if you wanted a private student loan, which banks still do, it is set by credit history or bank prerogative
     
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    Outnumbered pu$$ys.

    The kids are fed liberal ideology (multiculturalism, America is evil, whites are the devil) from kindergarten to grade 12. The brainwashing works on most.
     
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    Stop it. This is utter nonsense. Most kids can't stand their teachers and you want us to believe there are all these kids who just follow along with whatever teachers say and ignore what they have been taught be their parents? If your premise was true then EVERY kid in the US would turn out to be liberal which obviously isn't the case.
     
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    Ok.
     
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    Having helped many conservatives out fixing all sorts of things, I agree.
     

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