man involved in car crash charged with manslaughter after woman has miscarriage

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ask that question to any woman who WANTED her baby.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So again, if a 5 year old isn't wanted, does that change what it is?

    I'm not sure why people are having such a hard time with this.

    If you kill your 5 year old, or if someone else kills your 5 year old, it's murder because it's a human child. The child being "wanted" is irrelevant.

    Therefore, the same must be true for the unborn, regardless of their "wanted" status.

    It is either a baby with rights that you can infringe on, or it is a fetus with no rights that anyone can infringe on.

    Who does the "killing" is irrelevant to the status of the baby/fetus.

    It doesn't change into a fetus when you want to kill it, nor does it change into a baby when you want to keep it.

    It is either one, or the other.
     
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    Zeffy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Keep it up, anti choicers. Your inability to put a rational argument together will keep abortion legal forever and ever.
     
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    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    It is a fetus , it is not a baby until it is born .....just like humans do NOT become teenagers until they have "teen" in their age...
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Next time try actually READING the link that you provided!

    The accident caused the PREMATURE BIRTH and thus KILLED a PERSON who was "naturally born" under the Law of the Land.

    Had the pregnant woman been 29 weeks instead of just 19 weeks the odds of survival would have been improved and there would not have been grounds for a charge of manslaughter.

    Once again the antichoicers expose their profound lack of comprehension of both the Law of the Land and how pregnancy works.
     
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    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    It was UNborn therefore a fetus. See how simple that is?
     
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    Again, for maybe the 7-8th time, it does NOT matter what a woman thinks she is pregnant with..... it is a scientifically and legally a fetus.

    It may be wanted or unwanted but it is a fetus, not a baby.....see, those are two different words and what ANYONE calls it or wants or doesn't want those words are two different things.
     
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    It was a fetus at the time of the accident that caused the premature birth and once born the premature infant died because of the accident that caused the premature birth.

    I appreciate that this concept is difficult for anti-choicers to grasp but prior to birth it is a FETUS and after being NATURALLY BORN is becomes a PERSON under the Law of the Land.

    It was the accident that caused the premature birth and that is what resulted in the manslaughter charges being brought for the death of the infant.
     
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    A five year old is BORN, therefore a PERSON with rights.

    A fetus is NOT born, and while it may have protection after 23 weeks, it is NOT BORN and therefore NOT A person.

    Whether you like it or not a human has to be BORN to have rights.





    I'm not sure why you are having such a hard time with this.
     
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    wanted v unwanted has no bearing on the state of the fetal human.
    What an intellectually poor argument.
     
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    No, it's horrible if she has her choice taken from her ...her CHOICE, not her fetus, not her baby not her car , her CHOICE.



    NO one is saying that....you are making that up.

    It is terrible to have our CHOICE taken from you.






    Gears were switched only in your mind.

    What's awful is having her CHOICE taken from her.



    YES, the CHOICE is HERS, not YOURS.



    Emotional blather with no point.


    NO, it isn't . How she feels determines her CHOICE.



    You should've read your own link instead Derideo-te had to explain it to you.



    Of course you have absolutely no proof of that.
     
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    Then why is someone being charged with killing the unborn, if it's not a person.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Abortion, natural or medically induced, is not birth.
     
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    Then point me to the statute where it is illegal to kill a fetus.
     
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    And yet its the only relevant issue. Certainly, someone with your superior intellect can see from the title of the thread that the drunk driver was charged with manslaughter. Are abortion doctors charged? Why one but not the other?
     
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    Post 34 should help you out, reading posts helps...
     
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    Post 34 should help, reading links helps...
     
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    I already responded to that.

    The car crash caused an abortion, not a birth.

    Abortion, according to the left, is not illegal, nor is it murder, because the thing in her stomach is a fetus.

    Killing a fetus, they say, is not illegal.

    If killing a fetus or having an abortion (natural or induced) is not illegal, then how can he be charged?
     
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    Oh, I see you quoted post 34 but couldn't comprehend it. Want to try again ? :

    Derideo_Te said:
    It was a fetus at the time of the accident that caused the premature birth
    and once born the premature infant died because of the accident that caused the premature birth.

    I appreciate that this concept is difficult for anti-choicers to grasp but prior to birth it is a FETUS and after being NATURALLY BORN is becomes a PERSON under the Law of the Land.

    It was the accident that caused the premature birth and that is what resulted in the manslaughter charges being brought for the death of the infant."""""
     
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    The crash caused a premature BIRTH.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Great. So taking the morning after pill induces birth, going to an abortion clinic is inducing birth, etc etc.

    According to the dictionary, it was an abortion.

    What happened was the definition of abortion.

    Definition of abortion
    1 :the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus: such as
     
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    You have no point.

    IF you want to se why that guy was charged then go into the link, find the state and google their laws on it.


    HOWEVER the fetus came out the event CAUSED IT.



    It has no connection to abortion, a legal medical procedure.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So causing the fetus to come out is a crime?

    According to Webster, what happened was an abortion. Go argue with the dictionary people.
     
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    :) I don't have to.....seems like the law is moving right along doing the right thing which includes punishing those who take away a woman's right to choose ...:)


    The lawyers prosecuting him don't need your little "dictionary people" ;)
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh so he's being prosecuted for taking her choice away, not for killing a fetus, is your new argument?
     

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