Man killed during FBI raid in Utah posted threats online against Biden, sources say

You might be half right about attitudes that some other people have expressed, but it is also possible you might be misinterpreting many of those comments.

We've had that discussion many times. If you want a specific answer again, I suggest you start a new thread in the Gun Control section of this forum, to have a discussion specifically about that.
(You are welcome to leave the link here in this thread, if you want)

What a ridiculous comment. Why do you think law enforcement showed up to this man's house with guns?
(But like I said, if you want to have a discussion about that, start another thread. If you can't be bothered to do that, we can't be bothered to respond to you)

 

The 74 year old crippled man was outnumbered, what, 10 to 1? The FBI showed a lot of balls going after that old man. Good thing they rolled in like the 2nd Armored Division. They might not have survived the ordeal...lol

 

Vowels level the playing field...lol.

 

The ironic thing is that Truth Social gave the tip to the FBI on this guy. The guy pointed a gun at federal agents, refused to obey commands, and paid the price. This was by all accounts a clean shooting. For the conservatives, if this guy was black, BLM, and doing the same thing, with the FBI doing the same thing, you guys would not have a problem would you? \

Second, threats against the president are done all the time. Ted Nugent made a threat to President Obama with his infamous video. A Democrat did the same thing to DJT, a picture of him hanging I think, when he was running. Both got a visit from the secret service, but they did not go out and point guns at federal law enforcement officers, which is the key.

 

He was armed, and he was pointing a gun at federal law enforcement officers. That breaks all bets.

 

Except that about 30% of the GOP will take that "warlike rhetoric" quite literally while on the Democratic side, it might be 1%. Numbers don't lie. And that warlike rhetoric is also more prominent on Conservative Talk Radio, YT, Social Media, and so forth, especially on places like Rumble and others compared to liberal MSM and so forth. And then we have January 6th, the ultimate decider on which party falls for thw warlike rhetoric more often than what happened in January 2017 where you had a few congresspersons try to challenge the election results and were denied by then VP Biden. And that was pretty much the end of it, except for Hilary Clinton and her "talking points."

 

So was this woman. I remember when the Leftists lost their marbles over her being killed...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Atatiana_Jefferson

...the cop that shot her was convicted of manslaughter.

 

They are necessary if applied correctly and accurately all the time.

 

Well, that remains to be seen lol

 

I bet you weren't saying that about the Brianna Taylor shooting...lol

 

Did you read the entire wikipedia page or did you stop at the first paragraph and then interjected your own unfounded opinions?

Since I live near Fort Worth, a conservative city run by a conservative mayor and city council, this was a huge issue in my area of DFW. Everyone pretty much had an opinion. The Welfare check is supposed to be done by a police officer with a partner and only to knock on the front door. Yes, they yelled police a couple of times, but then Aaron Dean "heard something" and decided to check it out. This is the point where he was supposed to call for backup. He went around and the woman heard noise and thought there might be a robber. She had a legally purchased firearm in her name. And she held it as protection. He went to the side of the house and saw her have the gun, and he fired almost instantaneously, within seconds of yelling put up your hands. He also violated protocols for this type of call, a low-priority call I might add in the Forth Worth Police Department. And the body cams proved his guilt by the jury.

But then again, you may want to look at this one: Jerry Waller, an elderly white man that the Fort Worth Police killed.

 

Double standard noted.

 

You do know that the information was not valid and they were relying on a single CI with no confirmation proof. They violated numerous protocols in that no knock warrant, which was my original argument when we had this discussion a long way back. Also keep in mind that the autopsy confirmed her death as homicide. But the police tried to do the "blue line" thing that should no longer be applied in todays society.

For the investigation, I understand that the police were looking at primarily Jamarcus Glover and Adrian Walker. Adrian Walker is not related to Kenneth Walker, who was Andriana's boyfriend and who also lived at that apartment from time to time. But the police made a lot of wrong assumptions in exercising that no search warrant, which goes against the post I made "if applied correctly and accurately." They did not do either IMO.

Look the investigative officer knew that drug dealers mail their narcotics to various addresses. He also knew that many times those people are not involved and have no clue because the drug dealers will have connections to pick up those packages in which the person or persons living at that apartment complex or house don't have a clue. And yet, a single CI said that Briana's car was used in such a drug deal and yet there was no backup proof to confirm that statement. And even Glover himself, while in jail on drug related charges, said that Taylor had no involvement in the drug trade.

The investigating officer was too eager to get his person on drug charges and thought he or Adrian taylor or the drugs would be there. It had bad police intelligence with bad police motives and executed based on false premises. And that is not following procedure at all.

What complicated the whole damn thing was the lack of response and transparency by the police department and the city, especially the DA. And yes, sometimes you have to charge police officers for serious wrong doings while on the job or even off the job. It is too necessary.

 

What double standard?

Let's put it this way in an argument form. If you held a gun in the house, and I was the law enforcement officer outside of your window, I saw you hold a gun, I yell at you to put your hands up, and then fired within two seconds, would that be warranted?

 

proof?

 

Like in Dallas? Sure it would.

 

The polarization got much worse with Obama. The left perpetuates it.

 

Proof? Where have you been for the past 8 years?

 

Yeah, and they got a tip from Truth Social that he was actually going to do what he was saying. And that is why they executed the warrant for his arrest.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/10/tru...-during-arrest-attempt-for-biden-threats.html
https://apnews.com/article/utah-biden-fbi-assassination-threat-ba3cc1d3b2f6cca8bd429febdcf04219 "The FBI investigation began with a tip about the Bragg threat from Trump’s own social media platform Truth Social in March, after Robertson posted about “waiting in the courthouse parking garage” with a suppressed weapon and wanting to “put a nice hole in his forehead.” His account has since been suspended from the platform."

Kinda of interesting that Trump's Truth Social was directly involved in this man's investigation and death directly by informing the FBI of this threat.

 

Did they have an idea that the FBI would roll in like Patton at Bastogne and kill him?

 

LOL, it started officially, en masse, when Newt Gingrich was Speaker, and it was used primarily as a campaign fundraising issue with no real plot to go through with most of what they did. They did try to impeach and remove clinton on numerous charges, but that did not go too well politically, and Clinton became more popular than ever after he left office. There were always compromises with the President on numerous issues from taxation to DHS to border security to whatever. But we don't have that today. If you are a Republican and you compromise with the Democrats, you are considered "weak" or a RINO or someone who is not a "true patriot" in conservative political rhetoric. When it comes to the hard right, the Democrats are the domestic enemy in their minds, along with progressives and anyone else who does not see it their way. And that is about 30% of the GOP electorate. On the other hand, you might have Robert Reich, who no one of importance listens to anymore, Hilary Clinton, and maybe a few others, but most who get their names on TV and radio are the Republicans who perpetuate the polarization, and none worse than DJT.

 

He was actually going from political rhetoric to action. He posted he would get his M24 sniper rifle, camouflage suit, and so forth. And that is when the FBI decided to execute the search warrant right before Biden's visit to the local VA in Utah. The FBI followed procedures. They identified themselves, repeatedly demanded that he drop the rifle, and eventually fired upon them. In conservative talk, including you btw, have repeatedly said that if you don't obey law enforcement demands then you must pay the price of that inaction.

And when it comes to arresting people, yes, they do bring a lot of officers, not just one. That is only for the movies and TV shows for entertainment purposes. Even with the search warrant at Mar a Logo, there were at least 30 special agents and another dozen local and state police officers there, at a minimum. But then again, I guess that is rolling in like Patton towards Bastogne lol

 

Its your claim and I asked you to provide links, but dodge noted.

 

I'm not defending his comments. They were illegal, for sure.

I'm simply questioning the need for a full tactical night time assault on a 74 year old man who could barely walk and was mostly homebound.

 

He wasn’t physically capable of acting on his threats. He was an obese old man who could barely walk. The guy had to drive 200 yards to go to church.

The FBI had been surveilling him for over a month. They passed on many opportunities to serve him with this warrant without incident.