Maxine Waters: Congress Can Remove Trump Without Impeachment

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  1. yardmeat

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    Those acts only allow the President to work as the "mere agent" of Congress. They do not entirely cede tariff authority over to the Executive, which would be wildly unconstitutional. Trump has gone far beyond his "mere agent" status.


    Trump has pushed for MORE spending, and this was going on even when Republicans controlled both houses. Your fake argument has failed several times over.

    All of his tariffs.


    Wildly inaccurate, but glad to know you agree with him that this part of the Constitution is phony, I guess.
     
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    This shouldn't be a trick question: but are you aware that there is more to Trump's presidency than just the past few months, Mr. Genius? And are you aware of the potential/likely legal shortcomings of Trump's action, or do you just not care?
     
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    They are false, that's what they are about. Democrats desperately looking for an issue.
     
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    False. I never claimed they ceded complete authority. Just enough for Trump to tariff China without any Constitutional problem.

    Congress is in control of spending. Trump wanted a smaller budget with cuts passed. They shut down the government arguing about it. Those are the facts. They're not disputable. It actually happened.
    And yes, the charges that he violated the emoluments clause were just another strained effort by Democrats to criticize Trump.
     
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    But according to you, he spends worse than everyone. Except Democrats in the House and Republicans in the Senate, lol.
     
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    I know that the left wing extremist liberal mass media like CNN and MSNBC like to create conspiracies that sheep like to follow like moths to a flame. If lies like that were true, then Hillary, Obama, Bush and both Clintons would all be in the slammer as well. And, we have tons of documentation to back up their alleged crimes as well. But, ends up nobody ever gets convicted, only in your minds. Don't believe all the left wing propaganda you are force fed.
     
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    Funny how you are running away and can now only talk about China. Wonder why you can't talk about ANY OF HIS OTHER TARIFFS?

    With the President's sign off, and the President has considerable negotiating powers even before it goes into writing.

    He's pushed for more money.

    He's pushed for more money. Those are the facts. They're not disputable. It actually happened.

    Only to those who refuse to actually read the emoluments clauses and consider the facts.
     
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    Trump closed down the government to get more money... not less

    the debt has risen more under Trump than any other President in History, and Trump has only done 4 years
     
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    I understand that you need to throw out every distraction you can think of because you can't actually address what I've said any any and all criticism of the Almighty must be a liberal plot, even when people are flanking him from the economic right. Let me know when you can actually engage in the discussion.
     
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    Im with you on not voting R or D. Either way, we are getting an elderly sex offender with a speaking problem!

    Living in Los Angeles, Dems have made the second amendment unrecognizable and college campuses have silenced those with opposing views. There was a successful lawsuit over their "free speech zones".
     
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    doing this right before an election occurring during a pandemic is suspicious, especially concerning Trump's comments about it
     
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    He does spend worse than everyone. He signs off on the spending, this was going on even when his party had both houses, and he was the "King of Debt" and outdoing almost everyone in the country with his own personal deficit spending even before he ran for office. Catch up, bud.
     
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    Post of the year. You just made me spew water on my keyboard!
     
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    The President has the least power and can in fact be overridden. Congress controls the purse strings.

    Which budget did Trump request more money that was allocated by Congress?

    How many times have those claims been tossed out of court now?
     
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    Well, first, you're conflating the power of Congress to raise revenues (taxes) with the power of Congress to enact tariffs. I'm not sure if that is intentional on your part or just confusion on your part. So your argument that he's passed illegal taxes, as I've shown is simply and demonstrably FALSE.

    So does Congress, who passes the spending bills and shuts down the government when they don't get their way.

    For certain things, and less total spending overall. Stop conflating the two.

    Trump won two of the lawsuits related to the emoluments clause. Further, the appeals court judge chastised the lower court for allowing the case to move forward, lol.
     
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    False.
     
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    Except now Trump is getting away with controlling the purse strings and is rightfully being criticized for it.



    Trump has repeatedly demanded more money for his wall.


    No court has declared the emoluments clauses unconstitutional.
     
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    Not true.
    You're stuck on one line item of spending. We're all referring to total spending. This has been explained several times now. Arguing for wall funding is NOT the same as arguing for more money in TOTAL. Trump argued for LESS money overall, and for wall funding. That's not a difficult concept to grasp.

    No, but they've tossed out two of the three cases against Trump, lol.
     
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    Please learn what a tariff is. It is a schedule of duties. Taxes on imported goods. This is part of Congress's taxation powers, explicitly. And you haven't "shown" anything. You've only stamped your feet and demanded that I ignore the Constitution.


    This happened even when the GOP had control of both houses. This fake argument has been neutered.


    Adding billions for his wall is more spending overall, not less.


    Despite Trump's claims, the emoluments clauses are not "phony" and remain part of our Constitution.
     
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    I bet it makes you wonder why none of these presidents ever get convicted of anything despite all the conspiracies that are whipped up by mass media.
     
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    Absolutely true.

    Billions for his wall and other pet projects is more money overall, not less.


    Again, as much as you and Trump may think this part of the Constitution is phony, it isn't.
     
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    I don't really care about whatever media conspiracies you are proposing.
     
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    The ones you a crying about?

    Heck, it is like it is 2012 in this thread where I am reading the same exact word for word rants on Obama's stimulus or SS spent on Obamacare by Right wingers but the roles are flipped by raging leftists. This is all a nothing burger where people gone mad due to mass media hype which all amounts to nothing. At least you can get off on creating angry posts about some conspiracy you hope will happen.
     
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