Members of Congress 'holding secret conversations about removing Donald Trump from office'

Short of treason or incapacitation legally can they do this? Has he done anything that rises to the level of requiring impeachment. Or is this just political opponents blowing hot air?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/members-congress-apos-holding-secret-104617029.html

Members of Congress 'holding secret conversations about removing Donald Trump from office'
Ben Kentish,The Independent Thu, May 4 3:46 AM PDT

Members of the US Congress are holding “private conversations” about whether Donald Trump should be removed from office, reports suggest.

After a difficult first 100 days that have seen the US President mired in a string of scandals and mishaps, senators and congressmen are said to be considering whether he will last a full term.

The New Yorker this week published a lengthy analysis of the two ways the Republican could be removed from office: either through impeachment by Congress or via the 25th Amendment to the US Constitution, which allows for a president to be removed if he is considered to be mentally unfit.

Evan Osnos, the author of the article, said he had been told that members of Congress were already holding conversations on the issue.

“This is a conversation that people are having around the dinner table, it’s one people have at the office, members of Congress are talking about it in private and the question is very simple: is this a president who is able to do the job and is able to go the distance?” he told MSNBC’s The Last Word.

“This is a president who is beset by doubts of a completely different order of any president we’ve seen as long as we’ve been looking at this question.

“The truth is that there are people having an active conversation about whether or not he’ll last.”

Mr Osnos also claimed Mr Trump could cause a “constitutional crisis” if he chooses not to co-operate with congressional investigations into his alleged links with Russia – something he said some members of Congress expect to happen.

William Kristol, who worked as chief of staff to Vice President Dan Quayle under the presidency of George H W Bush, told the magazine there was a reasonable change of Mr Trump being removed.

“It’s somewhere in the big middle ground between a 1 per cent [chance] and 50”, he said. “It’s some per cent. It’s not nothing."

The 25th Amendment, added in 1967, allows a president to be removed if they are deemed to be “unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office”. That judgement can be made either by the vice president and a majority of the Cabinet, or by a separate body, such as a panel of medical experts, appointed by Congress.

If the president objects, a two-thirds majority in both chambers of Congress is needed to remove him or her.

“I believe that invoking Section 4 of the 25th Amendment is no fantasy but an entirely plausible tool - not immediately, but well before 2020,” Laurence Tribe, a prominent US law professor who works at Harvard University, told The New Yorker.

 

The first two paragraphs of your link:

"Members of US Congress are holding "private conversations" about whether Donald Trump should be removed from office, reports suggest."

And.....

"After a difficult first 100 days that have seen the US President mired in a string of scandals and mishaps, senators and congressmen are said to be considering whether he will last a full term."

All that there in red.....pure opinion, conjecture and fake news. Basically a 'nothing-burger.'

 

This message is SECRET, even as I post it on this public forum...

If we have learned ANYTHING about Democrat politicians, it is never under any circumstance trust them with any secrets. Particularly national security secrets.

 

Yes, absolutely.

Last I checked, war crimes and crimes against humanity are not powers granted to the Executive by the Constitution. In fact they're specifically prohibited by the Constitution via the Supremacy clause, so yeah. Then there are also those pesky serious allegations of conflict of interest, conspiracy and racketeering, possibly including foreign elements. And if Bill Clinton was impeached for lying about his salacious behavior, why is this guy exempt? Oh wait, he doesn't lie about it, he boasts about it. But anyway that pales in comparison to the rest of the list of "requirements" for impeachment. And there's probably a lot more. But not to worry, Congress doesn't have the collective cojones.

 

Excuse me...That's not what the OP is about. It's about the claim that there is some kind conspiracy to get rid of Trump. There is absolutely not proof of this as shown in the very link the OP provided....Try your rant elsewhere...maybe create your own thread?

 

Our elite has played around wwith our government about as much as it can reasonably expect to get away with already, and Soros's financed demonstrations have not improved the situation.

Those provisions were meant to be used if a President was so incapacitated that he or she could not go through the motions. Dislike of a President's methods or what he stands for do not count as incapacity.

 

Remember the last republican president to shamelessly abuse the authority of his office, dick Nixon? When the pressure level rose high enough, and when the evidence grew until it became undeniable, the republicans in congress finally grew a pair and realized the pile of dogshyte in the White House had to be removed.

The same kind of trajectory appears to be forming today, with the Orange Turd. Well hidden, and very deep within themselves, even republicans have the tiniest spark of patriotism. And when shown a mountain of evidence that cannot be refuted, they can sometimes be moved to get off their knees and do what is right for America, rather than what lines the pockets of their corporate and billionaire owners.

 

If we only knew who told him. A member of the Psychic Friends Network, perhaps.
Nothing to see here, folks. Keep moving.

 

The 2 questions I responded to are a part of the OP author's post so that would be 100% wrong.

The 2 questions I responded to are part of the OP no matter what you personally interpret it to be about.

There is no requirement to prove anything when responding to questions posed by the author of the OP. The accusations leveled against Donald Trump have been publicly made, I didn't invent them.

Try not to be a hypocrite, stick to the subject and keep the insults to yourself, those are definitely not part of the OP.

 

I only wish that were true but I wouldn't hold my breath. If they did impeach, it would likely be for political/financial reasons and not for ideological reasons.

 

Here's more:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/17/mike-pence-president-trump-238525

Conservatives begin to whisper: President Pence
With Trump swamped by self-inflicted scandals, Republicans find solace in the man waiting in the wings.
By MATTHEW NUSSBAUM and THEODORIC MEYER 05/17/2017 06:50 PM EDT
Mike Pence is pictured. | AP Photo
Some conservatives are hinting that Vice President Mike Pence looks like a particularly good alternative right now, especially as the Justice Department moves ahead with a special prosecutor for the FBI’s Russia probe. | AP Photo

By JACK SHAFER

Not since the release of the Access Hollywood tape, in which Donald Trump bragged about groping women by the genitals, have some conservatives thought so seriously, if a bit wistfully, about two words: President Pence.

The scandals clouding Trump’s presidency — including, most recently, his firing of FBI Director James Comey, his alleged leak of classified information to Russian officials, and reports that he urged Comey to drop an investigation into a top aide — have raised once more the possibility that Trump could be pushed aside and replaced by Vice President Mike Pence.


“If what the [New York Times] reported is true, Pence is probably rehearsing,” one House Republican who asked not to be named quipped Wednesday. “It’s just like Nixon. From the standpoint that it’s never the underlying issue, it is always the cover-up.”

The still far-fetched proposition of removing Trump from office has increasing appeal to Republicans who are growing weary of defending Trump and are alarmed by his conduct in office. But such whispers are cringe-worthy for Pence and his aides, who have made an art of not upstaging the mercurial president. Pence’s press secretary declined to comment for this article.

On the campaign trail, Pence would shut down any conversations about the possibility of his own future bid should Trump lose, telling donors who raised the prospect that he was entirely focused on the race at hand. Aides said that sentiment was sincere — even if they engaged in some thinking about what Pence’s future could entail after a likely loss.
Still, some conservatives are hinting that Pence looks like a particularly good alternative right now, especially as the Justice Department moves ahead with a special prosecutor for the FBI’s Russia probe.

Erick Erickson, a conservative pundit who was a strong Never Trumper but then pledged to give the president a chance, wrote on Wednesday that Republicans should abandon the president because they “have no need for him with Mike Pence in the wings.”

And conservative New York Times op-ed writer Ross Douthat, argued that abandoning Trump now should be easier because someone competent is waiting in the wings. “Hillary Clinton will not be retroactively elected if Trump is removed, nor will Neil Gorsuch be unseated,” Douthat wrote in Wednesday’s Times.

The pining for Pence is nothing new, however. From Capitol Hill to K Street, the notion that many Republicans prefer Pence to Trump in the Oval Office is perhaps the worst-kept secret in Washington.

Just ask Republican lobbyists who have watched the Trump administration struggle to move tax reform, health care and other top priorities.

Rep. Jason Chaffetz immediately said he’s prepared to subpoena the memos that James Comey reportedly wrote.
CONGRESS
Republicans may be reaching their breaking point with Trump
By JOHN BRESNAHAN and RACHAEL BADE
“I find it unlikely that Trump is going anywhere,” one GOP lobbyist, who spoke on condition of anonymity, wrote in an email. “That being said, Pence is well-liked on the Hill, fairly predictable, and doesn't stir up much unnecessary drama.”

A number of Republican lobbyists already view Pence as a source of stability in an otherwise tumultuous White House. Many of Pence’s top staffers — including his chief of staff, Josh Pitcock — worked for Pence during his years in the House and are deeply familiar with the legislative process. Other former Pence staffers from his House days are working elsewhere in the administration, including Marc Short, the legislative affairs director, and Russ Vought, deputy director of the Office of Management and Budget.

While Pence may not be as commanding a figure in Trump’s White House as Dick Cheney was in George W. Bush’s, Trump has leaned on him heavily. Lobbyists who set up meetings between Pence and their clients must warn them that the vice president may be an hour and a half late or have to leave after 10 minutes because Trump is constantly calling him into the Oval Office to confer with him, according to one Republican lobbyist.

But that doesn’t mean a Pence transition would be smooth. In the unlikely event that Trump is removed from office, Pence would assume the presidency amid a constitutional crisis. He could also be considered tainted by his past devotion to Trump.

Only once in American history has a president been forced from office by scandal, when Richard Nixon resigned amid Watergate. Ford assumed the presidency and sparked controversy by pardoning Nixon, a move that may have cost him the 1976 election but one that historians have since praised.

Ford, like Pence, had enjoyed a career in the House of Representatives and rose to a leadership position. There are other echoes, too.

“It’s almost an eerie comparison that a more mild-mannered, religious conservative Republican Gerald Ford came in,” said Douglas Brinkley, a presidential historian at Rice University. “He’s much like Pence in temperament and personality. He doesn’t have that acerbic side that Nixon and Trump had.”

And, like Ford, Pence “has made so few enemies,” Brinkley said.

“Having Pence in reserve is one of the few things, I think, that is calming Republican nerves,” he added. “It would just be a more mild-mannered Pence who never says anything offensive, who doesn’t take to Twitter, who goes to Church every Sunday.”

But unlike Pence, Ford was appointed to the job after the resignation of Vice President Spiro Agnew. Ford did not have the baggage of having campaigned for and championed Nixon.

Almost like a reminder of Pence’s political ambitions, news broke on Wednesday that Pence had formed a new leadership political action committee called the Great America Committee. It is unusual for a vice president to form his own PAC, as the vice president would traditionally merge his political operation with the Republican National Committee.

A spokesman confirmed the existence of the new committee and said it is being overseen by Marty Obst and Nick Ayers, two former Pence campaign aides and close confidants of the vice president.

Rachael Bade and Kenneth P. Vogel contributed to this report.

 

The topic of this thread is just another fake news lie.

 

Private conversations are not secret conversations and one would expect many people would be questioning Trump's fitness to serve.

If he was a smart man, Trump would welcome the investigation.

 

Except of course, lack of evidence.

 

Nothing new, 27 Democrats have so far come out in favor of impeaching Trump. For 36 years, Democrats have routinely called for impeaching Republican presidents at the drop of a hat.

 

There is alrady ample evidence that Trump s incapacitated. He can't remember what he said the day before. He forgets names. And he has no apparent knowledge of geography.

Nor to mention his obvious narcissistic personality disorder.

 

That's what I'm thinking.. Trump can't help it.

 

Of course that might not disqualify him as a " Republican" president.

 

Yes, believe I forgot impulse control!

 

So you were saying he is just like Hillary and the Democrats. You should be happy.

 

WE all know what is coming....

Double secret probation

 

Your responses seem to be mired at about the high school intellect level . Is that your actual age or are you just pretending to be childish in a sad attempt to personally identify with your beloved president.

 

Just trying to stay at the TDS level.

 

Is that the Trump dumb sh-t level. Believe you have exceeded it!

 

Well, if that's what you want to call your hysteria...