Message to Republicans and Conservatives

A brief bio on me, I am an independent. I have voted Republican in the past but I will be honest, it's been awhile. The last two Presidential elections the Republican platform has me worried. Both times you were unable to select a candidate that can attract to the mainstream of Americans. You've done it again with Romney.

Nevermind the Democrats, you won't change their minds or votes at this point and you know that. How do you hope to attract independents with BS candidates like Romney? Do you honestly feel you have a large enough "core" base of conservatives to win an election with out independents? If you do, I suggest you get off the bath salts! Most Americans are moderates. The Republican Party represents a relic from the past these days!

This election year is easier then last for me to decide who I will be voting for. Your candidate is once again a joke. It is getting to the point where I am beginning to wonder if the Republican Party is on the verge of extinction? I mean no disrespect, but your party has totally disconnected with average people. Hint: most people are not Tea Party folks

I suggest if you are to survive, too late for this election but for the next one, broaden your base! Be more tolerant of your own liberals and moderates within your party before you chase them out! If you can not or will not widen your platform to include more moderate thoughts, you will fail and eventually be over taken by a third party!

The choice is yours, evolve or become extinct.

 

The GOP has already chosen extinction. We're at the fossilization level now.

 

What are they supposed to do when the Demcrats have moved into their positions towards.. well almost everthing? They have no where to go but insane-right to distinguish themselves. Agreement is not a possibility.

 

Romney is a moderate. A crony capitalist monopoly moderate who has supported abortion, gun control, and raising taxes, even global carbon taxes. So, I'm not sure what your point is here. He's not a tea party candidate. He's Obama's twin.

He's a big government, big corporate crony, just like Obama, just like Bush Jr, just like Clinton. Do you know what the "establishment" of both parties that you can't slip a piece of paper between represent? I just explained it.

Romney would get more votes if he were less like a democrat. Libertarian votes, not random confused "independents."

 

Romney may have been a moderate, but you do agree he has "evolved" rather quickly to more of what the Republicans want to see. He was pro choice if you recall, Obama Care is modeled after Romney Care. He had to flip flop on a number of issues to be "acceptable" for the party. I think that says a lot right there regarding tolerance within the party. This sudden change is so transparent it is laughable! How can any one take him seriously if he will say or do what ever is expected of him? McCain at least was not afraid to break party lines on issues he felt benefited more people! Romney is simply a conbot now. I wouldn't trust him even if I was a conservative!

 

Ouch. Paul who is too "right wing" for the Republican party beats Obama among independents. That is "right wing" on the economic scale if free markets are on the right and commies are on the left. Who do you think the most loyal supporters are, random independents or Ron Paul supporters? Random independents are not loyal or dependable when it comes to elections, because they don't even know what they are looking for..

Paul won't be the republican nominee, but your claims that Romney is not "moderate" enough is evidently incorrect. Paul is anything but "moderate"...which means status quo corrupt DC insider.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2012/01/09/cbs-poll-independents-prefer-ron-paul-vs-obama/

CBS Poll: Independents Prefer Ron Paul Vs Obama

 

Amazing that after all the damage Obama and his cronies have done to the country, all you have to say is "Romney is a bull(*)(*)(*)(*) candidate."

 

It was actually the shift to the extreme right that caused me to leave the GOP and eventually led me to socialism.

 

How can you define a Independent? Certainly the book definition doesn't really do it justice. Sure we vote according to issues not parties however your still going to lean more in one direction. I have no idea what a typical Independent is suppose to be or who decided that. Depends on the individual. I'm a left leaning independent. However if I felt Obama was doing more damage then Romney could/would, I would vote against him despite the fact I agree more with Obama then Romney. The ability to cross parties is my definition of independent. Obviously I do not see Obama as damaging, and I view Romney as the most uninteresting candidate to hit the political stage in a long time. So Obama is a easy pick for me. Certainly there are right leaning Independents who would disagree with me. I did read recently that Obama is currently leading slightly with Independents. But I am not sure how you can say most Independents would support Paul. If Ron Paul was the Republican Candidate instead of Romney, I would have to think a little more about it, but would probably still vote for Obama because I like him more then I don't like him.

As for Romney, I said he may have been a moderate, now he is simply a lap dog for conservatives.

 

I can honestly with a straight face as God is my witness I think Obama is doing a great job and a better candidate then Romney. I don't trust Romney. Nether should you!

 

First of all, independents are just feckless also-rans who couldn't make up their mind whether to stand or squat when peeing.

I'm wondering if that quote of yours above ran true back when the original Tea Partiers led by Sam Adams dumped that heavily taxed tea into the Boston harbor. Everyone was a Tea Partier back in those daze, and thus, come November--the majority of patriotic level minded people will once again don the red white and blues to help dump this current anti/un disrespectful American potus into the bottomless pit of despair where he belongs. Romney will become one of our greatest presidents--perhaps as great as the one and only Ronald Reagan. Don't doubt me on this for I'm never wrong.

 

Thank you, and I suspect that the majority of Americans will agree with me on this one, after Romney's 8 years as president of course.

 

I doubt if we will ever know

 

I suspect that obama's real kenyan birth certificate might actually be a part of Romney's October surprise to the American people.

 

I appreciate your honesty, and I can honestly say then that you are a fool then. I am not trying to insult you, just trying to dramatize my point. Unfortunately, The facts do not back up your position. I fear, like I do for many others, that you are basing your judgement of Obama not on his record, but on his charisma, his charm. You are being bamboozled, my friend. The reign of Obama has been divisive and destructive to the country. We are way worse off now than four years ago and none the better. How you can constitute that as a "great job" is well beyond my comprehension. Only a staunch Obama supporter would say such a thing. That leads me to conclude that your entire premise of being an "independent" is pure falsehood. This entire thread is nothing more than a steaming pile of...

 

Replying to the OP, let the Republicans crash and burn. We are in a downward spiral since 2008 from events that stem from 2000 and continue to this day. You simply cannot talk your way out of it... it's all been tried already.

I just finished speaking to my son about Global Warming as his technology teacher told him it's a load of crap. I gave my son objective facts simple enough to understand but he stuck by the word of the teacher which is no doubt politically motivated.

But eventually, reality hits you in the face. Let the Republicans crash and burn- it's not the good old days where we can spend our way out of a problem like Reagan- we already did that and are paying for it today. Democrats are the real party- they are in touch with reality.

 

A Liberal Governor from Taxachusetts isnt "Moderate" enough.......

....The OP needs to re-attach to reality......
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You got it, Mr Mousilinni.

Progressivism is a disease.

 

There's no doubt that Romney use to be moderate. Certainly Obama Care used his model! Romney was even pro choice! So yes, he was a left leaning Republican. But has turned in to a conservative lap dog and pretty much has done a 180 on every thing he use to believe. If it wasn't so scary it just be funny. But how can any one, liberal or conservative trust some one who changed almost every thing he stood for just to be nominated and accepted by the Republican Party to run for President? How can any conservative or republican trust him? But would he have been nominated if he didn't change all his views an adapt a strict conservative position? Of course not. Romney is simply a politician who will say and do what ever he has to to get elected. This is your best offering?

 

What do you think about the polls that show Romney in the lead? Even if the small margin of error throws it off 3 points, it still proves that close to a majority of the country support Romney.

I hate it when people take their opinions, roll them up nice a tight, and present them as facts.

Maybe you should stop rolling nice and tight...other things....and try some bath salts.

 

I don't know what polls your looking at, I've seen about even or Obama slight lead, but none with Romney in the lead except for one that was a questionnaire and Romney fared slightly better then Obama on who could be better on the economy.

What facts shall we discuss then?

Why you like the outsource pioneer Romney? Or why you don't like the socialist Obama?

 

It's not that I trust Romney implicitly. I trust no politician implicitly only a moron would.

If you are an independent and believe that you are either gay or clueless.

 

I hope you investigate your facts on politicians better then forum members jackass.

You realize that independents are split on Obama and Romney right?