Milton Friedman - Socialized Medicine

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As a child, citizens paid their own medical bills. Mom gave birth to 6 children and the bills were paid to doctors by my parents who did not dream of the government paying those debts.

    Let the deceased but awesome Milton Friedman's ideas live and explain how this works to the viewers.

     
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    Once again this is an example of how the actions of the few compromise the freedoms of the majority.
    Some people are too irresponsible to plan to be able to pay for the healthcare of their children, so then the government has to take over this role. As you can see it's a trade-off if you start moving in either direction.
     
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    Well said. This nation long endured with no claim made by the public that they are by law, owed the payments to doctors of this issue known as health care. Next Democrats will claim the 2nd amendment means we are all owed firearms coming from Government. Think they will go that far? :cheerleader: :gop:
     
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    You may search for videos of Friedman's endorsements of Sweden and Israel's socialized health care system. As we all know, the latter is financed by USA taxpayers.
     
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    and your point is??
     
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    I'll let you figure that out
     
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    translation: I have no idea what my point was. Obviously if I had one i'd be happy to say what it was.
     
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    That was because chicken soup was cheap!!

    Medicine costs more these days because there is more problems we can treat and we have more we can do than offer chicken soup
     
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    Well you were very lucky to have had parents who were well and able enough to support 6 kids without assistance. Not everyone is so fortunate. The disabled, the widowed, the new (legitimate) refugee, etc.

    The purpose of socialised medicine and education - two of the greatest achievements of mankind and a sure sign of our ongoing evolution beyond the rude beast - is to level the playing field, giving everyone access to the same resources, to be utilised or not, as they see fit.

    When these two resources are in place, NO ONE can complain, and EVERYONE can get ahead. It reduces our trajectory to choice alone. I thought you Rightist types were all for that kind of thing? Self-determination etc?
     
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    it probably does cost more these day, and that is the reason we must switch to Republican capitalism. Do you understand that when people shop with their own money , and suppliers compete on basis of price and quality, there is competition to lower price and raise quality as much as possible? This is easily understood by conservatives but like calculus to liberals who simple lack the IQ for it.
     
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    they are in place and everyone does complain. Hard to imagine you didn't know that. Sorry to rock your world.
     
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    what good is medicine and education if you don't have shelter, food, military, roads police etc. One leads to the other and to communism. Now do you understand?
     
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    My mistake, I was under the impression America doesn't yet have full nationalised healthcare, as per Canada, the UK, and Australia etc.
     
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    with those two basics in place, your citizenry can achieve whatever they want. everyone can get educated and stay healthy - sufficiently to provide shelter and food for themselves. again, I thought rightists were into that kind of self-determination?
     
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    Oh Fukryanoutloud.. When your mother was having babies 9 months of prenatal care and delivery cost $150.
     
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    Actually, what happens when medicine is dollar driven is that quality suffers. Corners are cut. Doesn't matter how much competition there is, corporations involved in healthcare will always be looking to lower overheads.

    When healthcare is nationalised, quality is guaranteed. Only govt can be trusted to maintain standards, because they'll do so regardless of changing fiscal climates and fortunes.
     
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    perhaps you've heard the story about talking from both sides of the mouth



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    nobody did it as well as did Friedman
     
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    so then why so afraid no give us your best example or is name calling all you do?
     
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    why would it suffer given that capitalism rewards those with the highest quality? Do you know why Japanese cars sell so well?
     
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    yes because the govt will be driven into bankruptcy if its quality does not increase at the fastest possible rate?
     
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    1) is this why 120 million slowly starved to death when USSR and Red Chinese govts ran economies?
    2) in truth we have no idea even what good standards are without competition to establish them and drive them up at fastest possible rate. Do you understand capitalism now??
     
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    see my post # 4

    if you are not afraid, follow its suggestion
     
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    at least 900,000 Americans died over a 20 year period due to the Republican caused holocaust:

    https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/st...s-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/



    Meanwhile, wealthy elites got their health care covered as Fortune 500 companies took medical deductions on their tax returns. That means they were financed by taxpayers. In other words, the rich were beneficiaries of socialized medicine.
     
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