MLK was a progressive and a communist.

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  1. AltLightPride

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    After the far right's weak display of attacking MLK's character, here's my turn of criticizing the guy.

    And contrarily to them, I'll only focus on what he stood for.

    In fact, I completely condemn character smearing, because it's just another form of ad hominem. I couldn't care less if he had sex orgies every night, plagiarized his PhD, or enjoyed smashing puppies against rocks as a kid. Nobody's perfect and that's totally irrelevant to what matters. What is important is his political legacy.

    And that legacy is progressivism and communism, the same kind that we're fighting today.


    - MLK supported reparations for slavery
    (people who never owned slaves giving billions to people who never were slaves).


    A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for him, to equip him to compete on a just and equal basis
    (Where do we go from here, 1967)


    No amount of gold could provide an adequate compensation for the exploitation and humiliation of the Negro in America down through the centuries…Yet a price can be placed on unpaid wages. The ancient common law has always provided a remedy for the appropriation of a the labor of one human being by another. This law should be made to apply for American Negroes. The payment should be in the form of a massive program by the government of special, compensatory measures which could be regarded as a settlement in accordance with the accepted practice of common law.
    (Why we can't wait, 1964)


    We are coming to get our check.
    (speech shortly before assassination)



    - MLK supported affirmative action quotas.

    If a city has a 30% Negro population, then it is logical to assume that Negroes should have at least 30% of the jobs in any particular company, and jobs in all categories rather than only in menial areas.
    (1968 Playboy interview)

    And he put those ideas in practice by Operation Breadbasket, which tracked down any company that didn't have the right percentage of blacks and boycotted them. So he wasn't just a quota advocate, he was a quota activist.


    - MLK promoted American guilt, was a globalist, and called conservatives Nazis.

    Our nation was born in genocide [...] Indeed, even today we have not permitted ourselves to reject or to feel remorse for this shameful episode. Our literature, our films, our drama, our folklore all exalt it.
    (Why We Can’t Wait)

    Interesting, isn't it? This push for modern-day Americans to feel remorse for the actions of long dead people, kind of like a blood curse, and this will to shape popular culture through Hollywood propaganda...kind of rings a bell doesn't it. I wonder who could come up with that.

    We see dangerous signs of Hitlerism in the Goldwater campaign.
    (press statement)


    The same Goldwater that gave his name to the Goldwater rule, which forbids psychologists to smear political candidates without examining them. It's the exact same thing happening with Trump right now. History repeating itself.

    In foreign policy Mr. Goldwater advocated a narrow nationalism, a crippling isolationism, and a trigger-happy attitude that could plunge the whole world into the dark abyss of annihilation.
    The Autobiography of Martin Luther King, Jr


    - MLK was a socialist.

    While MLK officially rejected communism, his association with communists is pretty well documented, and he repeatedly advocates for socialism.

    In a sense, you could say we’re involved in the class struggle.”
    (Quote to New York Times reporter, 1968)


    Today capitalism has out-lived its usefulness.”
    (Letter to Coretta Scott, 1952)


    There must be a better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a Democratic Socialism.
    (1966 speech)

    Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.
    (Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961)


    I am now convinced that the simplest approach will prove to be the most effective – the solution to poverty is to abolish it directly by a now widely discussed matter: the guaranteed income [...] The time has come for us to civilize ourselves by the total, direct and immediate abolition of poverty
    (Where do We Go from Here?, 1967)


    In conclusion

    My criticism of MLK has nothing to do with opposing Civil Rights, or being a "white supremacist", whatever that is.

    In fact, I'm the most pro Civil Rights person there is.

    The big problem with MLK was that he was explicitly against Civil Rights for whites. "Civil Rights for me but not for thee".
    MLK wanted "equality", which is not meritocracy, but a codeword for progressive communism.

    Every single Progressive Commie must be purged. No concessions.

    Don't be a cuck and say that MLK would be a conservative today. He wouldn't.

    If you actually want integration to work, it definitely won't work under that toxic ideology.

    So...just have the balls to say it.

    F*** MLK.
     
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    Here we have a prime example of the regression of intellectual discourse in our so called modern society.

    People can not be, nor should they be discussed as unary units of a binary system. There is no cause at all to fail to celebrate the ideas of MLK that should be celebrated, simply because MLK also held ideas that should be opposed. There's is absolutely no usefulness in casting him in the role of an identity group. That's the kind of crap his ideas most forcefully reject.
     
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    It's useless to lie about MLK Jr being a communist or socialist: he wasn't.

    Unlike the Alt Right and far right racialists, he was willing and did give his life for what he believed.
     
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    MLK was a socialist and that's good. He was outspoken about the real problems that class struggle presents for the black community and understood the roots of racism in capitalism.
     
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    Nope, he was not a socialist, though he understood the issue of class struggle.
     
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    Sure, a contemporary of Malcom X and the Black Panthers who said that capitalism was obsolete and talked about the Class Struggle during the initial New Left surge was actually totally down with capitalism.
     
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    Then support your opinion. I don't have to refute it with objective evidence until you do due diligence to do the same for Altlightpride's opinion: yet, to this point, you have not.
     
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    Can you just not draw conclusions from sets of clues or something? Because this is a 101 level exercise in that. You have a shitton of information and then a tiny conclusion to draw there, it's not hard.
     
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    He was a democratic socialist. Just look above at the quotes of him explicitly advocating for democratic socialism.

    Oh he wasn't a Stalinist commie, more like the socialists in South America.
     
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    MLK was a Republican

    The LBJ administration did everything they could to marginalize this great man, accusing him of all sorts of vile stuff just as the same type of people are trying to do to President Trump - I have always believed LBJ people were behind MLKs assassination.

    The Republican philosophy reflects MLKs assertion that it's not the color of the skin but the content of the character that should be the standard by which a person is judged.
     
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    No evidence that MLK was a Republican or a ( :)) South American socialist.
     
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    All you ever do is punch right and it's getting old
     
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    Controversial. He opposed both Goldwater and Reagan who were Republicans so it's far from clear. This was more of a person-by-person basis since he was both against Dixiecrats and Republicans he didn't like.


    You have one single quote that supports your view.

    I have the dozen above that support mine. I can give you much more if you want.

    And "I have a dream" was plagiarized at least in part.from black Republican Archibald Carey's 1952 speech. Maybe that's where the "content of their character" idea comes from. Listen to that speech, it clearly gives the message of "the negro is just like everyone else he doesn't want special treatment".
     
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    Lol, you have some understanding issues visibly. What I'm saying basically pisses off everybody. Liberals because I'm bashing their idol, boomer conservatives because I'm saying he wasn't a conservative, and far righters because I'm doing the job they can't do.

    So it's more like a roundhouse kick.
     
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    Ive noticed this theme of yours where you get a kick out of trying to piss everyone off.

    What strategic value do you think that gives you, alienating everyone, even people you could potentially work with?
     
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    Gandhi and MLK both were avid students of the Sermon on the Mount.

    Do you know why?
     
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    The white supremacist racialists have no clear evidence that MLK Jr was a Republican, certainly not after the mid fifties. No, King did not plagiarize "I Have A Dream" from anyone.

    All the racialist Alt Right and white supremacists can do is mantra the same old unsupported arguments and out right lies.

    The strurmfrunter wannabees keep leading with their right and just can't understand why the keep getting gut punched in return.
     
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    Because I'm at the core a skeptic, and not a partisan.

    I'm an equal opportunity basher of BS beliefs. There are such on every side.

    I'm a firm believer that a revolutionary should constantly look in the mirror and ask himself whether what he wants once in power isn't worse than what he's replacing.

    When we kick out the progressive globalists I want the replacement regime to be something actually fair, not the reverse version of them. That's it. Otherwise the circle will never end.
     
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    AltLightPride's writing is generally reactionary and populist in nature.
     
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    that's not really how our system works though. It doesn't allow for radical change, only slow and incremental. If you want the country to get where you're at you should be encouraging all far right people so the Overton window can shift closer to where you're at.
     
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    One couldn't ask for a better source of factual info regarding MLK than the white right wing found on the internet. They're my 'go to' for all and any blacknews. 10/10.
     
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    ^^^^ :crazy:
     
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    Globalism has been with us since the salt trade..

    Who are these sniveling dorks?
     
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    Trolls gotta troll. It’s what they do.
     
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    White racists don't care whether he was republican or not. Only boomer conservatives care about that because they like integration and civil rights so they'd like to think MLK stood for only that and wasn't a progressive socialist on top of it...which he was.

    Yes he did.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/200...-i-have-a-dream-speech-from-black-republican/

    You can hear the entire speech he was "inspired" by if you want. It's not like it's a secret.
    https://soundcloud.com/wbez/archibald-carey-jrs-1952-gop

    I see a lot of tough guy talk but I don't see a lot of punching from you guys.

    Interestingly Rise said I was the one punching them...not you libbies.
     
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