Mohammad tortured/executed a man, and raped his widow the same day.

I KNEW you were too brain-washed to simply condemn killing every living thing....wow....realize what you religion has done to your mind, my friend. Condemning someone who commits the worst atrocity of all time is a no-brainer to a moral modern Secular Humanist, but not to a religious person. Incredible. More proof that religion sucks the good out of people, and replaces it with FEAR. I feel sorry for you, I really do. But there is a better way: let go of the fear, and praise be to Dawkins/Harris/Krauss.

 

You ASSUME far too much, those that believe they have all the answers so often do. Pssst, I do not live in fear:
No God - No Peace
Know God - Know Peace

 

Realize that you are no more moral than a Muslim who can't, just CAN'T, condemn Mohammad's pedophilia (SEX WITH KIDS) because they are afraid of Mo's imaginary friend.
To be a modern Secular Humanist, you'll have to stop being afraid of people's imaginary friends. Not difficult after the age of 5 year old, really. You can do it, Casper, I believe in you.

 

I can read you like a book. Let's agree to this: I'll condemn Hitler and Stalin, and you condemn the God of the bible for their atrocities, ok? Do we have a deal? Here goes: I CONDEMN HITLER AND STALIN. And I'd condemn Dawkins if he committed felonies. Now it's your turn.

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dude, seriously, anybody who can't condemn the worst moral crime in history, who is also smart like you appear to be, is doing that out of FEAR. Come on.
I let go of the fear as a child (I was raised a Christian), and so can you, and others. Eventually most people will be modern Secular Humanists, because it just makes so much sense.

 

David wanted Bathsheba so he killed off her husband.

 

Wait, that's not the SAME David as the hero in the Bible is it? What!? But Christians on this forum see David as a hero. That's as bad a saying the Qur'an is correct when it says that Mohammad (pedo, murderer, rapist, bandit, wife-beater, etc.) is the best role model of ALL TIME. What the heck is going on here!? What IDIOT would, when assembling the Bible, say "hey, I know, I'll try to create this most-moral book of all time and put in a cold-blooded murderer as a HERO"??
Dawkins, never, never, would say that a cold-blooded murderer was a hero, because he's far more moral than Mohammad, Jesus, Allah, God, etc.

 

What makes you think I don’t condemn murder/torture/rape? Of course I do and so do most Muslims. In my post I even condemn people like you, your pal Robert Spencer and his historical equivalent Julius Streicher just for inciting hatred, which eventually might lead/ already led to murder/torture/rape.

My suggestion would be that you do us all a favour and stop talking out of your arse about religious scriptures you haven’t got the slightest clue about. You might not realize this, but your spiteful and uneducated posts cast more of a bad a light on secular humanism than on Islam. They are embarrassing.

 

The Gospel of Thomas is an optional text for Christians. I guess we can condemn all of them as evil because in it Jesus kills children.

 

The sad part is I actually took a Christian to task over posting a thread on atheists being obsessed with God and now here I see that I was wrong in doing so. And people wonder why some people think so little about atheists. I was an agnostic at one point and still know several people that do not believe in any form of God, that their business, thankfully none of them display the same sort of over inflated self-worth as I have seen displayed here by one particular poster. Oh well, nothing else to be done here.

 

Don't worry, I won't mistake this particular posters deplorable attitude for the attitude of atheists/agnostics in general. I'm a Christian myself, but I know a lot of atheists/agnostics who are highly educated and good people.

 

David was the best out the Bunch according to the Bible. All that came after were not in Gods good graces like David.

If one actually reads the Bible one notes that the Israelites do not spend much time worshiping YHWH. More often they are worshiping other Gods.

 

You're clearly skirting the question...do you condemn MOHAMMAD for murder/torture/rape? A moral person does. Do you?

Muslims are not nearly as moral as modern Secular Humanists because they won't condemn Mohammad's murder/torture/rape.

 

If Islam was moral, it obviously would not lead the world in terrorism (thereligionofpeace.com shows the 20,500+ Islamic terrorist attacks since 9/11 alone.....that's ALOT o' terrorism!) It would be leading the way in the LOWEST terrorism, probably. Clearly it's not from "god".

 

so that is the ploy of the posting?

you're trolling???????!??!?

That is about as bad as pedophilia!

 

bombing nagasaki was worse

hiroshima, already proved the power. The second detonation was just inhumane and far better documented, then some camel jockey screwing a kid.

Heck more preachers doing the pedophilia on a weekend in american, than muhammad ever did in all the old books.

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.how can people break free from the immoral?

 

1. You might be right about the pedo-preists. They covered up those atrocities, as best they could. B-stards!
2. But the texts of modern Secular Humanism don't advocate nuking Japan, but the texts of Islam today do imply to kill/fight infidels to establish rule of Islam, or we wouldn't see the huge levels of terrorism (and support for terrorism) that we see in Islam today. Modern Secular Humanism is not bankrupting America, but Mohammad is.

 

Apparently you don't condemn Mohammad for murder/torture/rape, or you likely would have done that. Please increase you level of morality to the level of modern Secular Humanism, my friend.
DO YOU condemn Mohammad for his murder/torture/rape? To not do so when asked is immoral.
A good, understandable response could be: "I don't usually agree with you FreedomSeeker, but OF COURSE Mohammad was immoral for doing those things - now quit wasting our time on obvious stuff, FreedomSeeker you jerk." See, that's not to hard, now is it?

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You're either joking, or you're a Muslim.

 

Your self-inflated ideas about 'morals' and your lack of understanding on how they get established aside:

I wouldn’t be surprised if Mohammed – being a child of his time – wasn’t fully aware of the Geneva Conventions yet and had behaved in ways that would be condemnable from today’s point of view.
But I can’t fail to notice that in many ways the Koran was probably the closest thing to the Geneva Conventions you could get hold of in Mohammed’s days. Which is probably why his famous follower Saladin is revered for his chivalry to this very day, whereas most Christian crusaders have a rather bad reputation.

If you read ancient religious scriptures without any kind of historical awareness, such as you and the hate-preachers from JihadWatch do, you not only come to stupid conclusions, but are also prone to repeat mistakes of the past.

Secular humanism is usually associated with religious tolerance. Your posts indicate that you are as far from that ideal as Osama Bin Laden was. Seeing that you live in a 21th century society, in which you have ample opportunity to broaden your mind and to correct your blind hatred, I deem your obvious lack of religious tolerance and your rabid hate-mongering immoral indeed.

 

Oh by the way: I hope everyone here understood that the Mohammed of this headline is not the founder of the religion Islam. Muhammad ibn Maslamah ( Ansari ) was only a companion of Mohammed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ3S6GQODCA

 

you've been on this subject so long, i am wondering if you are a victim, seeking.

sounds like you're advocating nuking islam. Japan got it worst by america, than any muslim/islam ever did to america.

ie.... you claim mujjjjammad is so evil, when i find what you are posting to be evil, personally! You've never experienced anything of mujammad,. but we all can watch the oppression of palestine, every day of the week

creating israel (a religious state) is not modern secular humanism and it is the reason the people of islamic beliefs hate america


'we the people' are the ones that f'cked up supporting a religious state and why we are hated


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i condemn it and why i hate israel

barking art muhammad is about as stupid as barking at moses or jesus for what christians and jews do.

it's stupid

ok

nuke israel

and no more problem with the muslim

that could be secular humanism.........

shut the religions down and give mankind a chance

anyone,

even your god, if there was a story on that to mention

actually the immoral part is you asking in witness of something you have not witnessed, observed or experienced of muhammad

You are breaking far more rules than a dead can, any longer

i am too much of a sweetheart to do that!!!!!

 

Then the Qur'an is wrong because he's not the best role model for ALL TIME, like it claims, only (maybe) a role model for a bygone barbaric era.

I tolerate religion, I just have better ways than they do. Modern Secular Humanism does not want to outlaw religion, as it values freedom.

And again, your lack of morality for NOT being able to even condemn Mohammad for murder/rape/torture (which are wrong in any era!) shows that I'm more moral than you are. Sad, really.

 

Good post.
I too agree that any "religious-based state", such as Israel or Iran or Saudi, is a disgrace to freedom and equality.

 

1. Realize that you continually fail to condemn Mohammad's murder/rape/torture. A 4 year-old is smart enough to realize evil when they see it and are directly asked about it.
2. then look in the mirror and ask yourself how you can change to be more moral, like modern Secular Humanism. Muslims will continue to emulate a murder/rapist/torturer until they are confronted with his barbarity.

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On that we both AGREE!

The savagery of religion knows no moral bounds.