Monuments To The Confederacy

American troops cannot "invade" American territory.

such an argument is absurd and devoid of all logic.

the US Constitution gives Congress the authority to put down rebellions.

 

Yes, today it's true. Thank you Posse Comitatus.

 

What took place was no rebellion. States voted to stay leave. That is not rebelling, it is the election system.

 

only 3 of the 13 CSA states had a referendum on secession.

which means the Will of the People was not respected

 

very few referendums took place.

The Will of the People was not consulted.

 

So you do make value judgments. Who's problems? Democrats or blacks?

I have no earthly idea what you are describing here. What whispered promises?

A majority of Democrats in the House and Senate voted to pass the civil rights act. The only majority voting block that voted against its passing were former Confederate states. Whether Democrat or Republican, representatives from former Confederate states voted against civil rights by over 90%.

This is a childs view devoid of any real contemplation. Absolute freedom from government is anarchy. Are you saying conservatives support anarchy? That's news to me.

The south didnt fight for civil rights they fought against civil rights and voted against them by 90%. That's just a plain fact.

Call it whatever you want the people who wave around the Confederate flag and pass laws to protect Confederate statues they identify as Republicans and conservatives.

Tiny fringes I accept as fact? I dont know what this means...

No, I recognize that between the Democrat party and the Republicans, Democrats are better on gay rights. I don't care who or what you voted for, Republicans as a group fought gay marriage every step of the way.

Don't know what law suit you're referring to but good for them.

So you're definitely an anarchist then?

Who cares what the founders thought? That was over 200 years ago. I think it's safe to have some new ideas.

 

Tax money was used on many of the confederate monuments. Many of them were placed on public land as well.

 

The Daughters of the Confederacy was an organization with 400 chapters around the south and 20,000 members. Probably their primary objective was to memorialize the dead soldiers of the war. I don't doubt that statues were financed by a variety of sources, but they were generally in memorial of soldiers killed in battle. While the left would like to re-write history as many political interests do- the fact is that those men died fighting for what they believed was right, just as those in the north did. I don't believe they fought for slavery- I think they fought for survival and freedom, believing that the north was forcing them to change everything and knowing their economy would collapse if they did. Of course the economy did collapse, because the northern armies burned crops, homes and most everything- acts which today would bring vast and worldwide criticism as attacks on the general public, private property and literally on their means of survival. Then the northern carpet baggers came in , and generally disenfranchised southerners from their property. Surviving soldiers coming home found that not only had their homes and personal property been destroyed, but even the ground their homes had sat on had been stolen by the northern opportunists. Both sides had their ugly and unjust practices, but of course the victors always seek to hide theirs and emphasize those of the enemy, to gain righteousness and erase their guilt. To feel more heroic- and now, 150 years after the fact, to continue the punishment and say the south should not be allowed any heroes.

History was not changed by the statues, everyone knows the south lost, that slavery was properly abolished. But 150 years after the war, that is still not enough for some. Now- we have the equivalent of the carpet baggers, determined to take whatever else they may from the south as spoils of war too- remove the statues, and remove the memory of the more than 400,000 southern soldiers that died. Somehow I fail to see that as honorable in any way.

Of course slavery was not unique to the south. In New York city, 40% of the people owned slaves, mostly as household servants. Given that it took some wealth to do that, 40% says that virtually anyone who could afford to own slaves did.

Today, if one studies the history of the American Indian wars- we don't find a lot to be proud of there either. Californians for example passed laws making slaves of them, specifically an 1850 law called "The Act for the government and protection of Indians". This basically allowed any white person to grab an Indian, declare them vagrant and the local authority would seize them and sell them at public auction. Buyers used them for labor, mostly in mines. This of course was only a decade before the civil war. Miners also made their own laws and set out to "exterminate" all Indians, men women and children- because they were Indians. Hitler didn't invent that practice as some think. Learn more about this at this PBS site covering the "Act".: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanex...act-for-government-and-protection-of-indians/

Of course we stole Indian lands, gave the survivors what we thought was useless country, then threw them off that when we found we were wrong and it did have value. Many whites made a living as bounty hunters- collecting a handsome price for any Indian scalp. Just as slavery was considered normal at the time before the civil war, the value of an Indian was far less than a slave. It was legal to kill them in many area, and our solution was generally to just kill them off. Despite the glorification of the old west, genuine history shows that the popular history has been modified to glorify our cause- which in addition to being unwilling to honor treaties, often included outright genocide. Seems that all our ancestors were willing to do contemptible things when it served their purpose... and deny the wrong of it.

Leave history alone- if we fail to remember it as it was, we fail to learn and do better in the future.

 

Some call it the Civil War. Others call it the War of Northern Aggression. What nobody calls it is the Slavery War.

 

only the KKK calls it "the War of Northern Aggression"

 

stop projecting

 

Only the Black Panthers would say that.

 

the BP are the flip side of the KKK

 

Very true, why do you think the Democrats and their spin offs the leftist want this, or should I say their past scrubbed