Most Democrats think "Medicare For All" means they can still keep their plans

So if your luck runs out and you suffer a serious injury or illness costing hundreds of thousands in medical bills, what do YOU do? Would you just die or would you take medical care paid for by others?

Your quick, simple, ready-made answers don't work. We all know you would take the medical care paid for by others. ANYONE would. The difference is just that you don't want to pay your share so you're like the others who take your position. They are content to push their costs off onto the rest of us.

 

The quality of the healthcare in developed OECD nations surpasses ours. It appears your arguing something on which you are not adequately informed.

 

Based on what metrics? Their metrics? The OECD is a European organization which originated in France.

 

See? You aren't informed on this, so why are you arguing when you should be gathering information?

 

More govt money. Ever notice how every leftist idea involves giving people money or products for free?

 

Yes, I'm informed.

I just told you that the "OECD is a European organization which originated in France."

Of course their findings are going to favor their government run healthcare system and make the United States free market healthcare system look bad.

The OECD is a biased...

https://reason.com/2017/04/13/past-time-to-dump-the-oecd/

https://danieljmitchell.wordpress.c...-oecd-is-the-worst-international-bureaucracy/

https://www.cato.org/blog/no-more-subsidies-oecd-american-taxpayers

 

What do you think the wait times are for someone without insurance that are scared they will lose their home if they seek medical treatment? Also we pay double to six times what other nations do for the same treatment, and you can see below emergency care — which is what should be measured — isn’t the best in the US.

 

Then we should eliminate our debt and reduce our military by half. Everyone would see a tax saving of around 10% and that is after a public option. Reform the healthcare system as a whole and this figure would go up even more — but republicans don’t want reforms, they want to do nothing and whine about how they are being forced to help American citizens — but y’all are strangely ok with bombing other countries and killing foreign children.

We would still have the largest military than the next 4 nations combined, instead of the current 7.

 

Military spending only accounts for about 16% of total Federal spending.

Whereas social program (SS, Medicare, Medicaid, ObamaCare, welfare, etc.) spending accounts for over 60% of total Federal spending.

 

In Canada, you walk into a doctor's office or hospital for an appointment or treated, and it is covered by the provincial program. Dental, prescription drugs, vision and paramedicals are not covered. So employers provide benefit plans that cover those costs.

 

I will admit to not having read all the proposed healthcare plans of the Dem candidates. Are there some that don't offer the option to keep your existing plan to augment what is being offered as 'medicare for all'?

 

Social security is an insurance — it does not count for anything towards federal spending as it is self funded — furthermore it should be converted to an individual account system to get it off federal books. Medicare and Medicaid (and the ACA) would all be eliminated under a public option.

The military including veteran benefits as well as the national debt represent a full quarter (25%) of all national spending.

 

Single payer can never be cheaper for people who currently pay for their own health insurance.

 

It's not going to be self-funded much longer.

the left: Social security money is running out!

also the left: Quick, put all illegal aliens on social security!

 

SS and Medicare are mandatory and taxes are confiscated from my paycheck. I don't have a CHOICE. You are for choice, aren't you?

 

Not sure where you are getting your information....SS, Medicare and Medicaid make up the overall majority of the Debt: https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/

Moreover Medicare and Medicaid are the largest drivers of our debt.

"Medicare and Medicaid are the single biggest drivers of the federal deficit and the federal debt by a huge margin."
— Barack Obama on Wednesday, June 24th, 2009.

I just want to know when the left will get on board with entitlement reform and help with our deficit and debt

 

No US plan that slashes costs to the level of advanced, democratic nations that have achieved universal, high quality coverage has yet been finalized - other than meeting Trump's admirable, aspirational goals of being "something terrific!" that covers "everybody!" at "less cost!"

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Hardcore ideologues and fat-cat parasites that feed vociferously off the bloated, wasteful, inefficient status quo system will fight progress tooth and nail, but the proven, pragmatic paradigm will eventually be adopted.

 

The common wealth fund is a biased left-wing organization.

 

You are correct, I should have said social security should not be counted.

As for Medicare and Medicaid, they would be dissolved under a national public option.

Who is against reform? Democrats are against blind cuts or taking a hacksaw to the programs without a replacement like republicans are wanting — no one is against reform.

 

Taxes are mandatory if you make an income, if you don’t want them feel free to go live in the woods. No income, no expenses = no taxes.

See, choice!

No, you do not get to choose to participate in society and then refuse to pay for your participation but you can choose not to participate.

And social security was set up due to the number of elderly Americans that had either refused or been unable to save enough for medical treatment and food for their final years. If you want to cut that off — that’s on you.

 

Feel free to post a source that refutes the data.

 

What is above what Medicare covers? And how would private plans possibly compete with taxpayer funded ones?

 

Saying "Not true" is not an argument. Americans are fatter and sicker than ever in spite of record use of pharm products.

 

The Federal Income tax should also be abolished.

 

There is that capitalist mentality we have grown to appreciate and love! There is always a catch22 if you're observant enough and smart enough to see thru the smoke and behind the mirrors