mRNA Vaccines, Proven toxic, shuts down your immune system

He types words and thinks they mean something. Is he really suggesting that the vaccines are injecting "cancer"?

Consider NOT posting at all, you do not know what you are talking about.

 

Turbo Cancer on the rise!

This isnt leading edge material, its bleeding edge material its that fresh off the press

 

I highly recommend for your own safety peeps should listen to the Senate testimony
They tell you what Pharma, da guv, and da media didnt.

 

The only thing on the rise is batshit thread spamming.

 

Just a few points.

The whole vaccines cause ‘turbo cancer’ debacle that was started by anti-vaxxers came from research by Sander Eens who stated “There is not a single piece of scientific evidence, neither in our study nor elsewhere that points to there being a causal link between mRNA-vaccines and cancer.

Eens performed research on mice to see if a Chinese research paper was reliable related to the Pfizer vaccine causing inflammation of the heart.

Eens injected 14 mice with the vaccine twice in 2 weeks. Another group of mice was injected with placebo. Two days after the second dose, one of the mice was found dead in its cage from having developed lymphoma. Dr Makis claimed this was ‘proof’ the vaccines cause turbo cancer. The researchers state there is absolutely no evidence it has anything to do with the vaccine and there were signs that the mouse could have had lymph node cancer before it was vaccinated.

So, one dead mouse gets hi-jacked into proof that vaccines cause turbo cancer.

After this stupidity, as a follow up, Eens injected more than 70 mice with the mRNA vaccine and NONE of them formed any kind of cancer. Zero.

So in total, Eens injected 84 mice with the vaccine, one died of lymphoma, 83 remained free of cancer. Anybody who comes to the conclusion that this proves that the vaccines cause cancer is an absolute moron.

To put the last nail in the coffin. The mice used in the experiment were 28 BALB/c mice. BALB/c mice are popular in cancer research because they are more susceptible to carcinogenesis, and can spontaneously (naturally) develop lymphomas. One mouse out of the final total of mice injected with the vaccine developed a B-cell lymphoblastic lymphoma falls directly in what one would expect from spontaneously occurring lymphoma’s in these mice. Why has this never been mentioned by the anti-vaxxers?

William Makis has fear-mongered the crap out of pseudouridine. Makis cites work showing that pseudouridine containing RNA can decrease the activity of ‘Toll-like’ receptors which is how modified RNA’s escape being degraded by the immune system. However, there is zero evidence that modified mRNA dampens the immune response to cancer. Papers have found that modified mRNA can dampen the immune response but NONE of these papers found ANY link to Cancer. That is an opinion made up by Makis and nothing more. There is ABSOLUTELY no research that supports the link to cancer despite the constant misinformation being spammed on this thread. It’s all opinion being presented as fact. Well, the fact is, it’s all conjecture and opinion.

The other thing about all these sudden cancers that have supposedly appear is where did they get the statistics from because there doesn’t seem to be anything published regarding new cancer cases either from 2022 or 2023. I can’t remember which thread it was on, but one of the people claiming that the vaccines caused cancer was saying he had seem a recent rise in the number of cancers being reported to him. So this is proof? Case studies do not provide proof. It’s called making assumptions. The belief is that vaccines cause cancers and the result is assigning vaccines as the cause when one comes across cancer diagnoses. A reputable scientist doesn’t start from the assumption that vaccines cause cancer and then makes causative statements without doing actual research. A reputable scientist remains unbiased, waits for the epidemiological statistics related to Cancer cases to be published and goes from there.

Anyways, here are some links for those who want to learn what is and isn’t misinformation related to the vaccines.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/dr...falsely-blaming-covid-19-vaccines-for-cancer/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36633525/

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/do-covid-19-vaccines-cause-turbo-cancer/

https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/covid-19-vaccines-do-not-cause-turbo-cancer/

https://www.techarp.com/science/pfizer-vaccine-turbo-cancer-facts/

https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.32WY6M8

https://europeannewsroom.com/posts-link-covid-19-vaccines-to-turbo-cancers-without-evidence/

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/08/s...y-to-false-claims-covid-19-vaccine-was-cause/

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/...-vaccine-mouse-cancer-fact-check/70702575007/

 

Oh yes, you are talking about this:





You have corporate labs and independent labs. On the rollout the corporate labs were in front of congress, now due to all the problems this toxin caused we have independent labs in front of congress.

Actually oncologists are seeing the same thing in humans, cancers that were under control and treatable are out of control and people are dying, and like everything else they are trying to sweep under the table with the tag "theres no evidence". Well there is never any evidence for issues unstudied, yet to be studied, too new and a study has not yet been completed, or simply ignored to they can claim there is no evidence! Oldest scam in the book that some people surprisingly still fall for.

The PhD's in the field that have to zip up the body bags resulting from the new untreatable cancers testify by the only means they can get the message out behind the US iron curtain:

https://twitter.com/ProjectTabs/status/1762633519870759035

https://twitter.com/MakisMD/status/1762726594890633665

https://twitter.com/BIGBLUEXLT1776/status/1760245903351324744

https://vigilantnews.com/post/turbo-death-from-turbo-cancers-were-in-trouble-says-dr-ryan-cole/

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/02/health/who-cancer-estimates/index.html

https://www.ajmc.com/view/kashyap-p...-progression-calls-for-more-biomarker-testing

The WHO is so smart they even predict lots of cancer coming, I wonder how they got their data for that? https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/02/health/who-cancer-estimates/index.html

 

Perfect.

 

Misinformation is not a legitimate claim today, maybe 50 years from now we can look back and make such a claim, but to claim misinformation today is bunk on its face especially since Phizers CEO admits it exists and positioned the company to make drugs to treat it!

Alberta Bourla is Chairman and Chief Exec of Pfizer.

He said that Seagen are experts in Turbo Cancer drugs.

Seagen are developing cancer drugs like 'turbo missiles' specialising in targeting 'Turbo cancer' and Pfizer will produce these missiles at a scale never seen before.

"We have a very quick way of completing clinical trials [yeh fraud] and by 2025 we will have a global network to provide these missiles to people who have Turbo Cancer", said Bourla.

No mention of a cause of Turbo cancer: a vague mention of seeing more since the Covid-19 pandemic.

You may also have seen that Pfizer also bought Arena Pharmaceuticals for $6.7 billion and Global Blood Therapeutics for $5.4 billion. What do they do?

They make cardiovascular drugs including drugs for myocarditis and pericarditis.

Both of these have been officially linked to the Covid modified RNA vaccines (8).
https://www.canceractive.com/article/turbo-cancer the new pandemic

Anyway like I said there is a hi probability I will be going on vacation soon so you can have the threads all to yourselves and say anything you want with impunity!

 

Detailing quite correctly why cancers have been rising and why there is legitimate interest in treating this!

It is beyond absurd for anyone to attribute the fabricated "Turbo" cancer to vaccines, especially when the virus is orders of magnitude worse for the immune system!

NO HE DID NOT! He categorically did NOT say that at all. Withdraw your claim, totally based on a lying article!

Watch the video with captions on for his accent nuances:

"Let me start by what we are trying to achieve, is to battle cancer. And cancer is one of the deadliest diseases in the world. Right now, 1 in 3 people are set to get cancer in the course of their lifetime. And ADC which is a technology that Seagen is mastering, is considered to be one of the best ways to BATTLE cancer."

I'm guessing your foolish article writer is hearing "Turbo cancer" when he is saying "battle cancer"!

Source for this quote!

From that cited video...
"...from our own capabilities. Our ability to develop clinical development at the speed you just spoke. The ability to manufacture at quality at high speed. Our ability to put financial and scientific resources, in the hands of a group of people that have done some miracles."

A ridiculous lie from that article! Answered and ignored by you!

Arena Pharmaceuticals
"We are Agents and Distributors for manufacturers of quality APIs. We offer a wide range of APIs for the pharmaceutical, veterinary and health food markets, including, but not limited to:

• Antibiotics
• Steroids
• Vitamins
• Nutritional Ingredients"

Global Blood Therapeutics, Inc. - AnnualReports.com
"Global Blood Therapeutics (GBT) is a biopharmaceutical company dedicated to the discovery, development, and delivery of life-changing treatments that provide hope to underserved patient communities. Founded in 2011, GBT is delivering on its goal to transform the treatment and care of sickle cell disease (SCD), a lifelong, devastating inherited blood disorder. The company has introduced Oxbryta® (voxelotor), the first FDA-approved treatment that directly inhibits sickle hemoglobin polymerization, the root cause of red blood cell sickling in SCD. GBT is also advancing its pipeline program in SCD with inclacumab, a p-selectin inhibitor in development to address pain crises associated with the disease. In addition, GBT’s drug discovery teams are working on new targets to develop the next generation of treatments for SCD."

 

In the VAXD!

 

I remember that, its the one that after 5 pages you FAILED to explain how it applied to the laughably contradictory post that I proved to be total bullshit.

 

No, you don't

False. YOU took one post from another thread and suggested it contradicted something that was nothing to do with it! As for ME needing to explain a medical paper to you, that's your problem and the very point you just quoted!
"You can deceptively "conclude" what you want, but you, me and all the "folks" know that you are posting thigs you have admitted you don't even understand."

 

Utter hogwash! I gave you citations detailing this and you ignored them!

Still waiting for a response.

And post http://www.politicalforum.com/index...r-immune-system.617143/page-4#post-1074696463 also completely tears your claims apart and you totally ignored that as well!

 

Im still waiting for a response from you.

 

Uhuh.

Kindly stop playing games. The now blue bolded link IS my response!

 

Oh, in big green letters you failed to address "TURBO" cancer.

Your post is unresponsive.

 

Hmm, you know, if you really want to mess people about, it ain't going to work with me.

Detailing exactly how cancer cases are evolving. As stated no made up bullshit "turbo" cancer.

So, a list of items for you to kindly respond to:

• Your lying video mentions the CEO talking about "turbo" cancer. Show where he says this please.
• Your lying video mentions two companies that make cardiovascular drugs for myocarditis and pericarditis. I proved they don't.
• I cited official figures showing the rise is not significant from covid-19.
• Your video infers vaccines are causing a fake illness called "turbo" cancer. A lie.

 

@Betamax101 Yet another failure to address "TURBO" cancer.

Please stop spamming my thread.

 

@Kokomojojo kindly answer the post just above which includes the bullet points quoted once again, that find profound faults with your claim.

P.s the term "turbo" cancer is made up by the people you are quoting.

 

@Betamax101

Please pay attention:

On Topic = mRNA Vaccines, Proven toxic, shuts down your immune system

Please try to stay on topic instead of trying to derail this thread.

 

The big green letters you mean? Emphasis mine.

Please respond to the list of items in response to your green-letter request, which ignores the answers given to you on this page in great detail:

• In the video you cited for "turbo" cancer, it lies about the CEO talking about this made up "turbo" cancer. Show where he says this please. I have identified hom saying "battle cancer" and your lying video maker is either deaf or dishonest.
• The cited video mentions two companies that make cardiovascular drugs for myocarditis and pericarditis. I proved they don't a total lie..
• Clearly just above, I have cited official figures showing the rise of cancer and it is not significant.
• There is not single iota of evidence that covid-19 vaccines cause cancer. That is a lie inferred by your video.

Considering we now have about a dozen threads started by you, about vaccines, that have all "evolved" almost immediately to be basically the same damn thing, you're hardly in a position to demand anything. You clearly invited the response!

 

@Betamax101

Please pay attention:

your demands are not my invitation.

On Topic = mRNA Vaccines, Proven toxic, shuts down your immune system

Please try to stay on topic instead of trying to derail this thread.

 

Please respond to rebuttal.

They are polite requests not demands.

I highlighted that YOU were the one who began this line of debate on page 3! You don't get to dictate who replies when you yourself have initiated the subject matter. Besides, YOU goaded me into replying about the made up term "turbo" cancer in post #89. You have still not provided any proper response to 4 rebuttal posts you have received from myself and MuchAdo.

From the American Society:
2020 - Estimated numbers of new cancer cases and deaths in 2020 an estimated 1.8 million new cancer cases diagnosed and 606,520 cancer deaths.
2021 - Estimated numbers of new cancer cases and deaths in 2021 an estimated 1.9 million new cancer cases diagnosed and 608,570 cancer deaths.
2022 - Estimated numbers of new cancer cases and deaths in 2022 an estimated 1.9 million new cancer cases diagnosed and 609,360 cancer deaths.
2023 - Estimated numbers of new cancer cases and deaths in 2023 an estimated 1,958,310 million new cancer cases diagnosed and 609,820 cancer deaths.
2024 - Estimated numbers of new cancer cases and deaths in 2024 an estimated 2,001,140 million new cancer cases diagnosed and 611,720 cancer deaths.

No "turbo" there folks!

 

1. It has been demonstrated in this thread that the list of presenters providing information about vaccines are known for promoting misinformation related to vaccines. Therefore, the information is questionable and no presenters were invited to provide counter arguments.
2. More importantly there is no proof that mRNA vaccines are toxic. The big stupid leap is that because vaccines contain miniscule amounts of inactivated DNA, they must be toxic. The problem is it has never been shown that these DNA fragments do anything. Our bodies encounter foreign pieces of DNA every day with absolutely no problems because the body very efficiently deals with foreign substances. The use of the word proven appears to be deliberate disinformation.
3. There is no proof that the mRNA vaccines shut down the immune system either. Theoretically anything is possible but not proof.
4. There is absolutely no such thing as turbo cancer. Again, the dropping of the bomb on Hiroshima released ionizing radiation that is lethal to DNA and it took over two years for blood cancers to show up and over 10 years for solid cancers to show up. So really, the vaccines contain some kind of carcinogen that is more disruptive than the radiation encountered by the Hiroshima bomb?
   
5. There has been obvious misinformation on this thread that has been corrected and those posting the information are deliberately ignoring the corrections.
   
6. All the misinformation on this thread involves turning a hypothetical “could” into actual “proof”. The title of the thread is obvious misinformation.

 

All this did is prove that you don't understand what turbo cancer is.