Mueller's report looks bad for Obama

People can convince themselves of anything And with a little support from the peanut gallery there is no limit to what illusion can become reality in the leftist realm

 

ButterBalls, from previous experience some of the Mods don't like it when one says "Sort of like hearing voices no one else hears" or anything to that effect. Thus my use of the lyrics below instead...

[Sung to the beat of Streisand's People]

Liberals, liberals who hear voices

Are the scariest people in the world

They're children, needing other children

And yet letting their grown-up pride

Hide all the need inside

Acting more like children, than children

 

So is it your contention that Mueller would’ve brought charges if it wasn’t for OLC guidelines?

 

How long can you ask the same questioned that's been answered.

Do you know how obviously phony your post sounds.

 

Until its been answered coherently

 

Your hero. his voice is real but his words are fantasy.

 

Your own response to my post isn't coherent because it doesn't reflect reality.

 

Your posts reflect nothing but fantasy. You like hearing your own echo. That's why every thing to you looks incoherent.

Here Are the Other Investigations President Trump Still Faces

YAHOO NEWS 3

https://news.yahoo.com/other-investigations-donald-trump-faces-214852369.html

There are a number of ongoing cases that will fall to the U.S. Attorney’s Office in D.C. One of the most prominent is around longtime Trump confidant Roger Stone, who was arrested in January 2019 as part of the Mueller investigation. He was charged with witness tampering and lying to Congress about his communications with WikiLeaks.


Cohen pleaded guilty in August of 2018 to campaign finance violations and other financial crimes, admitting he made payments to Karen McDougal and Stormy Daniels to keep them quiet in the run up the 2016 election. In December, he was sentenced to three years in prison. Prosecutors directly implicated the President when they said in December that Cohen acted “in coordination and at the direction of” Trump. Since then, federal prosecutors in multiple offices have been looking into the record $107 million that Trump’s inauguration committee raised and asking questions about who the money came from, how it was spent and whether the committee gave donors favors or special access.

Last September, Republican political consultant Sam Patten admitted steering $50,000 from a Ukrainian oligarch to Trump’s inauguration committee. FBI agents found more evidence about the inauguration when they were investigating Cohen, Trump’s former lawyer.

Mueller’s office initially looked into potential foreign donations to the inauguration, and now the U.S. attorney’s offices in Manhattan and Brooklyn are both investigating the involvement of foreign money. In February, prosecutors for the Southern District of New York sent a subpoena to the Trump inaugural committee demanding documents about the committee’s spending and donors. Prosecutors in New Jersey and the District of Columbia also sent subpoenas to the committee in separate probes.

When Cohen testified in front of Congress last month, he mentioned that the Trump Organization inflated its assets to insurance companies. Days later, the New York Department of Financial Services sent a subpoena to Aon, the Trump Organization’s longtime insurance broker, according to the New York Times.

When Cohen testified in front of Congress last month, he mentioned that the Trump Organization inflated its assets to insurance companies. Days later, the New York Department of Financial Services sent a subpoena to Aon, the Trump Organization’s longtime insurance broker, according to the New York Times. The Department of Financial Services is an agency that supervises the insurance industry, so it does not conduct criminal investigations. However, it it found wrongdoing, it could refer that information to prosecutors.

In another inquiry prompted by Cohen’s testimony, the New York attorney general this month began looking into several Trump Organization projects, including a failed attempt to buy the Buffalo Bills football team. Investigators sent subpoenas to Deutsche Bank and Investors Bank about the projects in early March, according to the Times.

Deutsche Bank has been under scrutiny as one of the few financial institutions willing to lend money to the Trump Organizations in recent years. The scope of this investigation is not clear, but the subpoenas requested information about loan applications, mortgages, credit and other financial interactions related to Trump properties in Washington, Florida, New York and Chicago, according to the Times.

The New York attorney general’s office sued the Donald J. Trump Foundation and its directors last year, saying they engaged in a “shocking pattern of illegality.” The Trumps agreed to dissolve the foundation in December, but the suit is still going. The attorney general wants the Trumps to pay millions in penalties and bar him from serving on the board of any New York charity for a decade, while the Trumps are claiming that the suit was politically motivated.

The Trump Foundation is also under investigation for potentially violating state tax laws. This case could lead to a criminal referral, unlike the civil case above.

The New York state tax department said in October it was looking into allegations brought up in a New York Times investigation into decades of Trump’s “tax schemes.” New York City officials have also said they are examining Trump’s tax history.

After two undocumented immigrants who worked at Trump’s golf club in New Jersey went public in interviews with the Times in December, federal and state investigators started looking into the situation. Lawyers for the two workers said in December that the FBI and the New Jersey attorney general’s office were examining allegations that the Trump golf club hired workers using fraudulent papers. Then in February, Democrats in Congress called for the FBI to fully investigate the situation.

There were questions about whether Trump would personally profit from his position as President even before he entered the White House. In June 2017, the attorneys general of Maryland and Washington D.C. sued Trump, claiming that his D.C. hotel violated the Emoluments Clause of the United States Constitution, which says that no federal official can accept any gift or benefit “of any kind whatever” from any foreign government.

Trump’s former personal lawyer filed a lawsuit in New York state court on March 7 claiming the Trump Organization breached a contract because it stopped paying his legal fees last year. The court filing alleges the organization stopped paying him after it became clear he would cooperate with investigators, and says Trump’s company owes him $1.9 million.

Summer Zervos was a contestant on the Apprentice and said in 2016 that Trump had sexually assaulted her in 2007. After Trump called her a liar on the campaign trial, and Zervos filed a defamation lawsuit against him in 2017. Trump will likely keep fighting the suit, so his deposition is not certain, but it would be a field of landmines, as he would be under oath.

Now that Democrats control the House, Intelligence Committee chair Adam Schiff is diving back into the Russia investigation. He has expanded the probe and plans to investigate not only Russian interference, but also Russian connections to Trump, whether Russians hold any leverage over Trump or members of his team and whether Trump has obstructed justice.

In early March, the House Judiciary Committee launched a broad investigation into three main areas: whether Trump has obstructed justice; whether there has been corruption such as breaking campaign finance laws or misusing Trump’s office for personal gain; and whether Trump has abused his power through pardons or attacks on the press, judiciary or law enforcement agencies.

The House Judiciary committee, led by Rep. Elijah Cummings, is also looking into a number of areas but the most prominent is its investigation into the Trump administration’s handling of security clearances. Concerns with the process increased in recent months after the New York Times reported that Trump intervened to overrule intelligence officials and obtain security clearance for his son-in-law Jared Kushner. A White House appointee also overruled intelligence officials on at least 30 staffers’ security clearances, according to NBC News. The House Oversight Committee has asked the White House for documents relating to the security clearances and aims to find out why concerns were being overruled.

Democratic Rep. Maxine Waters chairs the House Financial Services Committee, and she is planning a joint investigation with the Intelligence Committee into why Deutsche Bank was willing to lend money to the Trump Organization when few other financial institutions would do so. The bank is already under scrutiny from New York prosecutors, and it was fined in the past over a Russian money laundering scheme

The House Ways and Means chairman, Democrat Richard Neal, has said he wants to subpoena Trump’s tax returns. Unlike every president going back to Richard Nixon, Trump has refused to release his tax returns since he launched his presidential campaign, which has led many to speculate about their contents. This request will likely not move quickly, but it will be one of the most watched inquiries as things move forward.

 

You have your own back up against the wall. You just solidified my point even more with the above quote.

Read the above quote again really really really sloooowwwly.

 

I can see you're vastly ignorant about the people you refer to, but you really know a lot about illusion. I'm guessing this has been a life long pursuit for you.

 

I’m assuming their contention is OLC guidelines stopped Mueller and that’s it. I would like to know where in the guidelines it says he can’t recommend prosecution? We all agree recommending prosecution and actually prosecuting are two different things right? So if Mueller has a rock solid case why couldn’t he recommend prosecution?

 

Read my post really really slooooowwwly. I can see you moving your lips to sound out the more difficult words. But I'm glad you agree that Muller absolutely doesn't believe that Trump is innocent and would have said so if he did.. What about his statement that an FBI investigation would have been able to illuminate the commission of obstruction in a way that Trump would have understood.. How about Mueller's notion that congress would be better at this kind of investigation than the Justice Department. Thanks for realizing that hack-lackey Barr's effort in his initial summary twisted Mueller's findings by deliberately leaving out his key statements.

 

Where in OLC guidelines does it prevent Mueller from recommending indictments?

 

wrong post I have partial dislexia

 

Mueller gave the reason in his report!. It's been discussed all over the place. It's really not a very bright question. .. At any rate go back and read. Are you a shill for the Trump Administration?

 

How is it not a bright question?

I want you to show me in the OLC guidelines where it forbade Mueller from recommending prosecution to the congress.

 

I'm certainty not going to answer a dumb question born of ignorance. Go back read.

 

No you won’t answer because there is nothing in OLC guidelines that prevents Mueller from recommending prosecution to congress. 1-0 me

 

You ask a dumb question that has nothing to do with Mueller's reasoning and then come up with a dumb answer. Mueller has stated why he wouldn't make a final decision abuot Trumps guilt or ignorance and it has nothing to do with OLC rules. One of the reasons is Barr's memo. I don't see why Mueller would make a decision under this circumstance.

"Before being appointed attorney general, Barr had written a memo stating that he believed that the president could not have been charged with obstruction of justice based on an official action like the firing of FBI Director James Comey, which was one of the central questions of Mueller’s obstruction investigation. The DOJ also has a policy of not indicting a sitting president, which Barr says he and Rosenstein did not work into their calculus to exonerate the president" (but how would Mueller know that?).
https://slate.com/news-and-politics...ary-of-mueller-report-on-way-to-congress.html

This is one of the things that did nothing but muddy the water for Mueller. Barr also told the president in June that Mueller's obstruction was fatally flawed. This lackey sent unsolicited papers to Trumps lawyers reassuring them that he was on their side. Only a lackey like Barr would prejudge a crucial Justice Department report before it came out. Hack-Lackey Barr is the only AG to do this. Let Congress and the American people decide. With a Hack-Lackey like Barr and a corrupt president with15 investigations going on outside of the ones Congress is perusing, Congress must have an unredacted report with the evidence that lead to it's conclusions in it.

 

It has everything to do with it. Your position is the reason Mueller left obstruction in the air is because of OLC guidelines. You talk about Barr’s position but his position is because of OLC guidelines which have been in place from day one of this investigation.

Where in those guidelines did it stop Mueller from making a recommendation on Obstruction to congress? There are 39 pages so which page?

If Mueller could’ve with evidence made that a recommendation to prosecute to congress there is nothing in OLC guidelines stopping him. Recommendation and actual criminal prosecution is two different things and the OLC only says you can’t criminally prosecute a sitting president.

 

You lost the argument when you got to the "your posts" and the rest was just more hubris I'm not going to wade through and I'm not going to get into a hubris match with you.

I asked you a simple salient question, now focus like a laser and try to answer

How does Trump prove he's innocent? Since when, when the prosecutor can't find a crime, does the person then has to prove they are innocent?

 

If you can't discuss the issue..................

 

They are creating a strawman, if Mueller had found evidence of obstruction of justice the grand jury could indict. The serving of the indictment and prosecution would have to wait until he left office one way or the other. But even if there were a case of obstruction of justice the Democrats would have a lot of explaining to do after they said perjury, obstruction of justice and witness tampering did not warrant removal from office in the last impeachment we had.