Muslims and Christians dont worship the same God.

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  1. WanRen

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    Jesus Christ is the God of Abraham.
    Jewish religion and Islam do not worship Jesus Christ = they are not worshiping the God of Abraham. Anyone can claim they worship the God of Abraham including the atheist but only truth can be the real God of Abraham and that is Jesus Christ.
     
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    try answering the question. how does not believing in supernatural beings make people 'bad'? specifically. describe the mechanism which makes atheists less good than christians. and while you're at it, explain why the same mechanism doesn't work when I say christians are less good than buddhists.

    and finally, for the third time, what happened to all babies and children when god flooded the world?
     
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    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    Atheist committed the worse and in equal footing with the Islamist when it comes to crime against humanity.
    Christianity has and is still always the only one in the forefront that has been fighting against both the Islamist and the atheist.
    In 645 AD it was Christians that has stood up against the war lords of Islam.
    In 1915 and again in 1940-45 it would be Christians that would stand up against Nazism preventing and helping the communist from being slaughtered.
    In the 1950's to 1970's it was Christians that would stand up against the communist.

    God created good, Satan created evil.
    Genesis 1:31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
     
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    Is believing and enforcing the nations single head of state dictatorial decree consider good?
    Believing in a supernatural being is bad because it isolate you from reality. Believe in God (Jesus Christ) because he is real.

    Communism is a real example why atheist are less good than Christians. Communist kill for their chairman, they do not respect human rights, freedom of religion juts like the Islamist they treat the people as expendables.

    Does atheist recognize the rights of Buddhist? It is no surprise if you said Christians are less good than Buddhist because for atheist all religions are less good than atheism.
    Before God flooded the world there was great harmony and goodness until evil and wickedness started to conquer the people their wickedness was so severe that included all sorts of crime against humanity, nature and earth.Finally God had to act in order to punish the wicked and evil people in order to give humanity a fighting chance to survive.
    Genesis 6:5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.

    Do you now believe that cannibalism existed and was part of the wholesale wickedness that existed before the flood?
    Was there any mention that God punished the good people? No, God punish only the wicked and evil.

    What do you think happen to the innocent babies, children and adults based on atheist point of view?
     
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    The son of the God of Abraham.

    They are.
    Jesus is the son of the god of Abraham. All 3 worship the same god of Abraham.
     
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    They didn't. But feel free to try and prove that.

    And losing. I am thankful you are losing.


    You understand that Muslims, Jews and atheists all fought them as well right?

    God created satan. Sorry bro, you're not going to win this exchange.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Apparently Abraham did adopt Canaanite religious practices as the God that is said to have appeared to him had the name of a Canaanite God.
     
  8. WanRen

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    We are all sons and daughters of God and Jesus Christ is the only Son of God. And Jesus Christ is the God of Abraham.

    I truly wish and would like it to be true that according to you that Muslims and Jewish religion worship Jesus Christ that would be very great and wonderful. Maybe you can tell them that they worship Jesus Christ and that we are all Christians.
     
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    Atheist committed the worse and in equal footing with the Islamist when it comes to crime against humanity.
    Nothing to proof what is clearly written in history the massive atrocities of atheist communist regimes.

    Loosing is part of winning and winning is part of loosing. Truth will always prevail.


    Christian nations came to the aid of the communist from being slaughtered by Nazi. Christian nations came to the aid of Muslims from being slaughtered by the Islamist and Christians came to the aid of Jews to free them and assist them established the nation of Israel.


    God created Lucifer. Lucifer created Satan.
     
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    This makes no sense.


    All 3 worship the same god of Abraham. Sorry.
     
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    They didn't. And I asked you to prove this claim.

    No I'm gonna make you prove it.

     
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    We are all sons and daughters of God and Jesus Christ is the only Son of God. And Jesus Christ is the God of Abraham.
    It makes every sense we are all children of God we are all sons and daughters of God. Jesus Christ is the only Son of God, Jesus Christ is the God of Abraham.


    I thank you even though you are wrong that Muslims and Jews follow us Christians in worshiping Jesus Christ if only it is true. :(
     
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    Atheist committed the worse and in equal footing with the Islamist when it comes to crime against humanity.
    History is well written the proof is beyond reasonable that is why there is no way deniers can present any proof that atheist committed the worse crime against humanity.
    Here are some historical link for your reference.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalinist_repressions_in_Mongolia

    So far you have not or can not proof other wise.

    Loosing is part of winning and winning is part of loosing. Truth will always prevail.
    In that case I guess it would mean you loose.

    The USA, France, UK, Greece, Germany, Poland, Italy, Norway, Sweden, Belgium, Canada, Australia etc. are Christian secular nations that is why since 1100 AD it has been Christian nations that has stood up and stand up against the Mohammedans, Moors, Ottomans, Nazi, Fascist, Communist, and now Islamist.
    You have the right to say anything but historical and theological truth can never be lied upon God created Lucifer and Lucifer created Satan.
    Truth will always prevail winning are for losers only.
     
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    We 2/3 of the world (non christian) are no more the sons daughters of your preferred superhero than you are the son of Odin or Vishnu. If you deny being the son of someone else's deity (dismissing said deity as nonsense), and mean it, you will understamd why we say these things.
     
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    100% everyone Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhist, Atheist, Agnostics, Pagans etc. are all sons and daughters of Jesus Christ.
    Do you consider yourself son or daughter of Odin, Zeus or Vishnu?
     
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    Like it or not, all Abrahamic religions worship the same God -- the God of Abraham.
     
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    Abraham didn't do anything, just like his imaginary deity.

    John 8:40 (CEB) = "Instead, you want to kill me, though I am the one who has spoken the truth I heard from God. Abraham didn’t do this."
     
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    this is incoherent and makes no sense.
    No it doesn't. You are contradicting yourself in that sentence.


    Muslims and Jews don't worship Jesus. They worship the same God of Abraham as Christians.
     
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    They didn't. And nothing you linked to comes close to the atrocities christians committed.


    Crusades, inquisition, slaughter of American natives, etc....

    How can I lose if I've won?


    Nope. None of them are Christian nations.

    Right. God created satan. Thank you.

    moronic and incoherent.
     
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    Is this the same as saying that all communist worship Lenin?
    Historical evidence educate us that:
    1. Muslims worship their own God not Jesus Christ the God of Abraham
    2. Judaism worship their Torah God not Jesus Christ the God of Abraham
    3. Christians worship Jesus Christ the God of Abraham.
     
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    It is very clear and sensible we are all humans created in the image of God = we are all children of God.

    That is why historical facts were all well preserved so that people of the present and future may know the truth that Jesus Christ is the only Son of God while everyone else are sons and daughter of God of Jesus Christ.

    You are contradicting yourself and historicity because clearly Muslims do not worship Jesus Christ same with Judaism therefore they do not worship the God of Abraham. Christians worship the God of Abraham which is Jesus Christ.
     
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    You have the right to deny facts and history but facts and history will remain the same nothing can change that unless deniers start destroying all the records the atrocities of communism is unforgettable.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_ki...munist_regimes
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalini...ns_in_Mongolia


    Crusades saved Western civilization thanks to the Crusades modern Western civilization flourished. As I have said Christians have always been in the forefront they fought against the Mohammedans. Moors, Ottoman, Nazi, Communism and now Islamist. And it all started with the Crusades. Christians fight for freedom, democracy and the preservation and advancement of modern civilization the communist atheist and the Islamist are about suppression and regression of freedom, democracy and the stopping of the advancement of modern civilization

    How can you win if you have lost especially with you not being on the side of factual history. That is why communism, Islamist, dictators they always lose in the end because truth will always prevail.


    All of them are secular-Christian nations and for sure none of them are atheist-communist nor Islamist nations.

    Thanks you, God created Lucifer, Lucifer created Satan. Do you consider the parents of Joe who later decided to become an evil Stalin as the creator of Stalin or do you consider Joe as the creator of Stalin?

    History is always clear and well preserved only the denier that tend to become moronic and incoherent with their insistence denial of historical facts.
     
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    It isn't clear and sensible. You tend to ramble inconerantly. And which gkd are you referring to?


    Jesus (*)(*)(*)(*)ing Christ dude!!!! You just repeated the same incoherent contradiction.


    Jesus is not the God of Abraham. He is the son of the God kf Abraham. All 3 worship the same God. Sorry.
    Nope. Jesus didn't come around until several hundred years after Abraham.
     
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    They didn't. And nothing you linked to comes close to the atrocities christians committed.



    The crusades had nothing to do with western civilization.


    But I won. So how could I have lost?


    None are Christian nations. Sorry.


    Your magic friend is supposed to be all knowing. He created satan knowing he would be evil.
    This is a logical trap that you are never going to win. So you should probably just avoid it.


    I honestly don't know if english is your first language. If it isn't then the rambling incoherence is not your fault if it is your first language you need to go back and repeat remedial 3rd grade English.
     
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    As opposed to the invisible magician you believe in?
     

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