My argument against pro lifers

... and why shouldn't I? haha, jokes aside though, I'm quite sick of so many lifers throwing words like murderer, innocent and even holocaust around to describe abortion, alongside a continuous and sustained labeling of all opponents as "liberal, lazy, irresponsible". The most annoying thing is that these words are never accompanied by any tenable position or serious arguments, just the same old lines - "oh but its a human", "oh but its alive", "oh you're killing it" - way to state the fricking obvious! SO WHAT? What's bad about killing an innocent member of the species of homosapien that is alive when it has no interest in being alive - when it doesn't even comprehend its own existence?

But dont get me wrong, there are other lifers here who avoid such argumentation, although I have yet to meet one that will actually make a logical argument they can defend outside of intuitive emotionalism and rhetorical nonsense.

The inflammatory and provocative style of the common lifer argumentation is not something advocates of choice should be confronted by, however - and no way in hell should they respond accordingly. There are many pro-choice people who reply with as many labels and ineffective language. Instead we should respond with an embrace of such claims where they are truthful so that we devalue and destroy intuitive misconceptions and false attitudes which stifle debate and avoid actual argumentation. The non sequiturs of the "murderer" labels should be confronted with comic embrace and unfazed apathy. "Yes, I eat babies for breakfast" - "yes I am the happy supporter of mass fetal genocide" - "of course I happily endorse the massacring of fetuses." You can throw anything these lifers spew out right back!

The only reason lifer rhetoric of the nature described above actually works is because advocates of choice embrace them and indulge in attempting to refute these false labels as well as using them themselves. Since lifers already know they are false and since they do nothing but stifle argumentation I propose we apathetically ignore these linguistic tactics and only utilize them so as to force lifers to utilize actual argumentation.

If false labels do not illicit a knee jerk reaction, lifers will have no where to hide in the abortion debate - they will be forced to show why they are right and defend it with sustained reasoning; an occurrence that is far too rare these days.

 

I don't mind people being pro-life, I am in the middle of the road.

However the childish use of "murder", "pro-death", "death cult", "genocide", "holocaust", is simply nothing more than intellectually bankruptcy.

You can be pro-life, but grow up and be honest about it. I have wanted to make a thread like this for a while now.

 

LOL! You lefties always accuse us righties of being sooooooo insensitive and uncompassionate toward our fellow human beings. And then you turn around and criticize us for being compassionate toward the most helpless of our species.

Keep arguing with your feelings, kid. Milk that nihilistic teen angst for all it's worth.

 

Which lefties? I'm right wing.

You are anything but right wing mate.

You often are, I mean you specifically, I dont throw around generalized labels like an idiot.

Of course you should be criticized - such "compassion" is misplaced and stupid.

Haha says the guy whose only argument was emotionalist rhetoric of "oh they're all helpless" and "oh we 'righties' are just compassionate and sensitive". bahaha such pathetic hypocrisy.

Considering I'm not a teenager you're clearly on the ball as always Unifier. haha you got schooled by "nihilistic teen angst." rofl

Oh boy, a lot of lifers can never seem to make an argument, but they sure as hell are a funny bunch.

 

Compassion naturally comes from seeing sentient beings in distress. That's the Paleomammalian brain in effect. Maybe there is nihilism in the "leftist" train of thought, if we define pro-abortionists as left. That's not really the case in England so I guess it's an American thing.

But if we go by left and right. Aren't rightists traditionally more pro-war?

 

Show me a quote where a fetus says it wants to live.

 

Extreme rhetoric foments anti-abortion terrorism.

 

Because it devalues all human life.

I have never liked the false labels thrown around when discussing abortion, from either side of the debate. Yet, you seem to agree that a sustained reasoning against abortion exists, even if it is rare.

 

So? The value is changed to consciousness and self-awareness, ie the ability to have an interest. What is wrong with that?

I do. It may be flawed and refutable, but they do exist.

 

Really? I'm on the fence as I see both sides. But, really? Is this what the pro-choice crowd is reduced to? I'll start calling pro-lifers Charlie Sheeners. WINNING. LOL

 

LOL I agree. I'm pro-choice but that argument made was a silly.

 

Are you saying that you are OK with devaluing human life? Please explain, perhaps I'm misunderstanding you.

 

I think that those who have no interest in being alive deserve more rights than the rest of us because they are more selfless.

 

Basically he believes that killing is fine as long as the victim isn't a terrorist, a convicted killer on death row, or an animal. Though if the unborn babies are brown then he may be more against it since it might be perceived as "racist".

 

MegadethFan said, ...

The name you gave this thread is sick…..and this subject is not a a joke…it might be to people who think killing babies is ok…but for those who value life it is not.

So let me get this…..YOUR sick of pro-lifers comments towards you….but YOU can make a sick thread entitled I Eat BAbies For Breakfast?

The evidence is there….the thing is someone who is compassionate and loving…would pick that up and see the inhumanity of the whole thing. No wonder you don't get it.

Your position lacks compassion, empathy, love, and emotion. That says it all.

Gosh your so so….I mean I can't say it here…I CERTAINLY WOULD BE BANNED. You can take your cold, callous…remarks and file them where the sun don't shine….of course in a file cabinet.

We do not have to hide. We stick around to rub what your all about in your faces and you whine and cry and kick your feet…and your all about eating babies…killing them, slaughtering them dead. Yes the shoe fits you well.

 

a society is judged by how it treats its young/unborn and its elderly.

It is supremely cruel to say that is is misplaced compassion to care for the unborn who face death from abortion.

 

Yes, certainly. Why should human life be considered special? I am saying that the "value" should be placed not on being human, but on holding an interest. You dont agree with this?

See above.

 

LOL Could you explain that. Are you saiyng dead people are "selfless"?

 

...?... When did I say that? LOL Nice to see you are so weak at debating you need to invent stuff about my argument rather than actually address it. Quite pathetic, but funny.

 

Judged by who? LOL Who even cares if it is "judged" on that basis. That's a stupid judgment.

Why is it cruel? I respect their devotion and sincerity - but I cannot respect their ignorance.

 

Perhaps you should read me OP. I agree its not a joke - common lifer argumentation is however. Furthermore if you feel sick by the title I can only laugh and say, why should I feel anything like that?

Read the OP. Also, the headline might be sickening to some but that is not the same as insulting others or mislabeling them. If you cannot see the distinction, I wont bother explaining it.

What evidence? Provide some please.

Nonsense.

Dont get what? I understand their argument - more so than they do, since they cant see how ignorant it is.

How's that?

Not really, it just says all you have is emotional rhetoric, like I outline in the OP. You clearly have no argument to make, which is really funny. So yeah to you I might as well just say I'm evil, I lack empathy, the ability to love others and emotion, so basically I'm a sociopath. ROFLMAO

HAHA Going to cry eh? Its funny because I've always found the best way to show the 'evil" in someone is with reason whereas people like you, no offense intended, seem devoted to entirely emotional outbursts which do nothing but make that person look lacking in self control. Come on, you must have same rational basis to be so disgusted. Voice it.

LOL No I'd rather tell people that "Yes, I eat babies for breakfast" - "yes I am the happy supporter of mass fetal genocide" - "of course I happily endorse the massacring of fetuses", and you know, all the other nonsense.

LOL Again its pointless to go on about your emotional dispotion since it in no way shows I am wrong - just how you feel.

As I said, when you are ready to make an argument, I'll happily respond in kind.

 

MegadethFan said,

WEll you can its not a joke all you wish…but I don't believe you…not by the words you post here.

Sickening to those who have compassion who value life. Those are the people you so lovingly target.

Well it is emotional…because if you love children, then you would see this as barbaric. And you don't see it that way. That which is in the womb is nothing to you….nothing. And you not only are for abortion…you love to mock those who do value life….especially if they are Christians. You hate Christianity and believers…that much is obvious. ARe you evil….certainly your position is. Are you empathetic? Only to those you don't hate I would imagine. Do you lack emotion….? Well certainly your hatred shows through….I see no love however. I see that you do not consider the life in the womb….you make a thread with a name like this…for craps and giggles. What kind of a person are you really?

You don't hide evil thoughts…you are very good at personally expressing them…and do quite well on this forum…especially in our personal discussions….where you are very quick to give ultimatums. I would guess that even Hitler did not sit back and cry over those whom he targeted and killed. And while you don't personally kill people you target verbally to do the same thing…different results. I would imagine the people Hitler hurt did cry because they could see the evil in the target. My heart cries for people like you who hold positions like you do… your positions are immoral and IMO….tragic not only for the unborn but for people who actually love the thought of things like this, abortion.

Your (*)(*)(*)(*) straight this is an emotional issue. You don't get it and you never will. That statement on the bottom of your posts…the one about your willing to change your position any time. Now thats something I can laugh at. LOL

That is the most important thing for people who hold opinions on abortion like you….to be right. Bulldoze over anyone who gets in your way…and what happens is collateral damage….not your concern. Pride is ugly sometimes and so is narcissism it is destructive especially to the person.

LMAO That skippy is beyond even your pay grade….kindness? LMAO Just remembering the comments you slung at me in our private conversation. LMAO

You might fool the people here…..NOT ME.

 

I cant help you if you are distrustful. If you had read the OP you would understand the point I am making.

Again, not the same as insulting them. If they have a problem with what I say - its their problem. My target audience in the OP was actually other smart, caring and thoughtful pro-choice folk.

Why would I see it as barbaric? To be fair, I dont much like children between 6 and 12. They're usually pretty annoying. LOL

Oh no its something. I have stipulated there are conditions to abortion - namely that we try and minimize the pain involved.

Well no, I mock those who use rhetoric and nonsense in place of an argument. You can see here I'm having a perfectly normal discussion with a lifer here because he is actually using arguments and not mindless rhetoric and emotionalism.
http://www.politicalforum.com/debates-contests/233188-abortion-morally-acceptable-8.html

Not at all. My family is of Christians and believers, as are 90% of my friends. You're just upset.

How so?

Here we go again. Do you have an argument or not? If you dont, I frankly dont care for your little diatribe of teary eyed ad hominem. Pathetic.

LOL Yeah because I'm Hitler. haha I do have a pretty funny impersonation of him, that I must confess is true.

Again, do you have an argument or are you that deprived of reason you are just going to continue with this nazi nonsense?

Why laugh at it? You've given me no reason to even consider changing my mind let alone doing so. You haven't actually presented an argument as to why I'm wrong - just about how upset you are. Seriously - no one cares.

[video=youtube;yopNkcDzQQw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yopNkcDzQQw[/video]

haha yeah you found me out for the nazi I really am

Come again, please its quite funny. Its like watching someone impale themself.

 

MegadethFan said,

You say the same thing over and over and over.

There is no such thing as smart, caring and thoughtful pro-choice folk…not when they champion abortion.

By your choice of name…I can see that all your views reflect it.

Oh no its something. I have stipulated there are conditions to abortion - namely that we try and minimize the pain involved.

You seem mock all Christians and God, it's like you get off on it. You can debate this issue with or without emotion. Emotion is not bad. You see you come to this forum thinking you know everything…and you don't. You don't know the first thing about abortion. You have never been pregnant and never had one. You are here simply to throw crap especially in the peoples face who do have emotion. It is obvious you have none.

90%….and only you would count them to put it to a statistic. LOL

Upset are you kidding? I could care less about you personally. I feel sorry for your family and friends…MEGADEATH….if that doesn't color the vision. LOL

If I am upset about anything it's that people like you think you really know this issue and you don't. You come to throw mud…because you are devoid of the emotion and sense that would tell you ….its not nice. It is not about facts for you people, its a game. But you don't want to be nice…that much is obvious.

As for changing your mind….LMAO…..Not in your DNA.

Too funny. That is why you keep private messaging me over and over…eh? You present yourself as this nice logical person who really wants a debate….not what I saw in your private messages…not at all. You know how I passionately feel about the unborn…and that is fair game to you. Satan also came with the intentions of destroying and conquering.

You will never get me. I have something you don't have….and I think that just ticks you off because one thing is for sure….your a bitter bitter person.

 

And I will continue to do so until you actually give an argument.

Why not?

Ok, so what?

That's your perception, but not reality.

Your problem is emotion is ALL you have. Again, why is abortion wrong?

...?... So you dont believe me, or what?

No you are very upset, you keep telling us - "oh its so insulting" "oh its so insensitive" "oh its disrespectful". LOL That's ALL you say around here.

How's that? You keep saying that but you can NEVER actually address my argument. The proof is in the pudding - all you have is emotional rhetoric and mindless ignorance.

Here we go again. Look lady no one cares what you feel - only what truth you have to voice. Since you have none, why bother coming here?

"Not in your DNA"? LOL That's close to being one of the most retarded statement's I've heard all week.

No, the reason I pm'd you was originally to let you know I had created a thread for you to prove your cas,e which you didnt and as is quite clear now, cannot do.

Put them on a thread and let other decide.

Indeed it is. If you put your feelings out as an argument, I can trash them as much as I (*)(*)(*)(*) well please. What you told me in the PMs I have not once used against you - only what you have written here. For someone who makes reference to stupid words like murder and nazis, you shoudl have the guts to have a dose of your own poison. Again your problem, caused by your own ignorance, not mine.

So what? You think abortion is the work of Satan? Oh well gosh darn "Hail Satan"!

ROFL Yes I dont have what you have - a totally ignorant view point and an overly emotive disposition. There is something I have which you dont have, which is far more important - AN ACTUAL ARGUMENT.