My argument against pro lifers

Oh my lord Whaler. A year later and you still can't tell who's a lifer and who's not. lol

 

This is the first time you've said anything that makes sense. Putting senseless restrictions on abortion do nothing except degrade women.

 

So the murder of a child is justified by the locality of the child, is this what you are sying?.

 

Churchie only asked a question regarding the topic being discussed. Canada has a far less population, do you mean on ratio?. Also by using that analogy I could say Ireland does not permit abortions, and we have none, so therefore that is the best law.

 

It will in the enviroment of the womb. An egg will not though by itself, and neither will a sperm. What do you mean an instant personhood believer?.
Tell me when did you become a person?.

 

Plenty of Irish abortions happen in England. Also, just because you do not know of any abortions does not mean they aren't occurring.

http://www.arcc-cdac.ca/postionpapers/54-US-Canada-Abortion-Law-Policy.pdf

This leaves Canada as the only democratic, industrialized nation in the world with no laws restricting
abortion. (Only two other countries have no laws: China and North Korea). Yet Canada has a
relatively low rate of abortion compared to other industrialized countries and one of the lowest
rates of abortion-related complications and maternal mortality in the world. Over 90% of
abortions are performed before 12 weeks gestation, and 98% before 16 weeks gestation.[1]
These statistics prove that no laws are needed to regulate or reduce abortions, and that women
and doctors can be trusted to exercise the right responsibly.

 

It is hard to follow you pro-aborts…your all over the place…you do but most others run…and won't come to grips with what they believe.

As I said…I admire you because you had the guts to call the pro-abort position what it was. You said….I AM FOR ABORTION, EVEN LATE TERM ABORTION BECAUSE ITS THE WOMANS RIGHTS. Not many of your groupies will say this. They hide and run…and try to word things differently…but the position is still there.

 

Yes is grannie a person? LOL

 

It's hard to talk to people who want to dumb down arguments into semantics debates on titles.

I don't think I used all caps, but THANKS! rofl

 

At least you are honest and are not afraid of your own position and worried about how it makes you look. There other pro-aborts run and hide.

 

Okie dokie.

 

you didnt answer the question. How many there are doesnt matter, if there is even just one, do you support it?

 

ok, its time for bumper sticker arguements.

 

"Support" is a slippery term

Do I think that some are necessary - yes indeed I do

Do I think that means open slather for the mythical wanting to fit into a swimming costume - don't be silly however I would believe such a person would be better off not ever having children - but I have yet have it demonstrated that she is anything but an advertising myth and demonstrates admirably the vast gulf between what people have been led to believe are the motivations for abortion and the actual reasons

 

If we do not know of abortions and that does not mean they are not occuring then you cannot use Canada as an argument. You are saying there is less restrictions in Canada yet they have less abortions. I am saying in Ireland, we do not permit abortion so therefore we have none, why are you bringing England into the equation. If England did not permit abortions then there would be none there also.
Are you trying to say if we make abortion more accessible and easier to have at any period during a pregnancy then there will be less abortions?.
Tell me how does this strategy work?.

 

When women can easily travel to get legal abortions, they will do so. When the travel is more difficult, they will have illegal abortions. Legality has little to no effect on the number of abortions performed. Economic conditions has a greater effect.

 

I support all abortions necessary for the health of the woman or when the fetus won't survive...AT ANY TIME in the gestation period. Not that my support is necessary for any woman to choose what is best for herself.

 

How do you know? The procedure for "retained products of conception" after miscarriage is the SAME as that for abortion - and how would you know? Also these days with the access of medications off of the internet it is easy to import RU486 or the combination required for a "medical" abortion from Europe.

 

Large quantities of abortifacients have been discovered by customs, and many doctors fear that the falling number of Irish women being reported as having obtained abortions in England/Wales are as a result of an increase in self administered http://www.medicalindependent.ie/pa...egal_abortion_tablets_in_supermarketabortions. At least one woman has been charged for selling abortifacients in Ireland.

 

If only the other pro-aborts could be as forthcoming and honest as Pasithea is…..the others run and hide…their positions are hypocritical…and of course they know it.

 

What is a pro-abort? You keep using that term. Can you post a dictionary definition of it please?

Also as far as I have seen a few other pro-choicers have in fact stated that they are a-ok with late term abortions, especially since we all know that they only happen for medical reasons anyways. They are an extremely small percentage of the abortion rates. You still haven't made it clear why you are so focused on them. =/

I believe it's between 80-87% of abortions happen in the first trimester, and most others happen in the second and then very rarely in the third. Yet you just can't stop thinking about 3rd trimester abortions.

 

Well in that case you better take Paw Paw and coffee out of shops as well as Parsley, Tansy, Pennyroyal and unripe Pineapple........................

http://www.sisterzeus.com/Abortif.htm

 

Legality has a lot to do with it. In the past families were larger and yet they were poorer, so obviously your analysis is wrong.
When something is seen as unacceptable people will tend to prevent that course of action. Where as something is legal it appears to be acceptable which also means there is no discouragment from them taking that course of action.

 

Exactly my point if you do not know abortions are happening how can anyone say that Canada has less abortions because they can have them at any time during the pregnancy, which makes no sense at all. That is the same as sying people have healthier teeth in outer Mongolia because there is no dentists. The two things do not neccessarily go together. People in outer -Mongolia could have healthier teeth but it is not because there is no dentists, Canada may have less abortions but it is not because they are more accessible and easy to obtain.

 

Legality has little to no effect on the number of abortions performed. Families were not poorer in the past. Large families in the past were of economic value, now large families are an economic liability. Illegality SHOULD be a means of discouraging an act because of fear of the punishment, but moral issues do not fit that probability. People make their own moral decisions regardless of the law, remember prohibition? Women know they can have abortions without fear of being discovered, so laws do little to prevent them.