NASA now working on an actual WAP DRIVE!!!

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  1. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

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    You would have to understand the vast majority of a UFT before you could develop Warp Drive Tech.

    This is why I have stated they most likely did not come up with this on their own without some help most likely from something we have been reverse engineering since the late 40's.

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    Oh, well this would be secret knowledge. They must have been learning it a bit at a time for all these years. I wonder if we'll ever publically know about it?

    But they must have known a great deal about a UFT already in place , early, if they did that project, I forget the name right now, having to do with time travel or cloaking technology, or something on a ship.
     
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    The Philly Experiment and Dr. T. Townsend Brown as I know his daughter.

    This experiment was both a success and a disaster as U.S. Sailors ended up being materialized within the ships deck and bulkheads as a lot of good men died.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Does this drive make a noise, like "fap fap fap fap fap fap fap"?
     
  5. AboveAlpha

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    Scottie!!!

    SNORT THE DILITHIUM CRYSTALS!!!

    Eye Captain!!

    I'm giving it all she's got!!!

    WAP!!!

    Seriously though....I checked into this....and there is enough Red Tape to give me the sense it is real!!

    If something is Fabricated you will not see everyone trying to get in on it!!

    EVERYONE....want's in on this project...and they are not letting anyone in unless they are necessary and sign off.

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    Planets constantly produce energy, in forms of electromagnetic waves and gravity.

    Gravity is the only eternal power source found throughout the known universe.

    It exerts force on everything, at all times.

    If we could harness it we wouldn't need a physical fuel source.
     
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    Well....there is Dark Matter and Dark Energy as well as these two comprise over 96% of the Universe.

    Gravity is not a Force even though we have been taught all our lives Gravity is a Force...it is not as it is an EFFECT!

    An effect of Space-Time Warpeture.

    Any actual FORCE must be increased relative to the amount of Mass being placed in motion.

    Thus it takes 2 times the amount of Electromagnetic Force to move a 20 lbs Iron Ball the same distance and the same velocity and acceleration as a 10 lbs Metal Ball when both balls are the same smothness and diameter by hollowing out the 10 lbs ball to make it the same size.

    Same thing with KINETIC FORCE....it takes 3 times the amount of Kinetic Energy Transfer to generate enough FORCE to break a metal rod with a hammer at the necessary 360 psi as it does to break the rod rated at 120 psi.

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    According to the current understanding of physics, forces are not transmitted directly between interacting objects, but instead are described by intermediary entities called fields. All four of the known fundamental forces are mediated by fields, which in the Standard Model of particle physics result from exchange of gauge bosons. Specifically the four fundamental interactions to be unified are:

    Strong interaction: the interaction responsible for holding quarks together to form hadrons, and holding neutrons and also protons together to form atomic nuclei. The exchange particle that mediates this force is the gluon.
    Electromagnetic interaction: the familiar interaction that acts on electrically charged particles. The photon is the exchange particle for this force.
    Weak interaction: a short-range interaction responsible for some forms of radioactivity, that acts on electrons, neutrinos, and quarks. It is mediated by the W and Z bosons.
    Gravitational interaction: a long-range attractive interaction that acts on all particles. The postulated exchange particle has been named the graviton.
    Modern unified field theory attempts to bring these four interactions together into a single framework.
     
  9. AboveAlpha

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    Yes...of course I am aware of the Higgs Field and QED and QCD.

    However there does not exist a Graviton.

    And if there did....it would act upon Matter just like a Force instead of an EFFECT.

    This is the fundemental difference between Gravity not being an actual Force and all other Forces as Gravity EFFECTS the Space-Time where as Forces are applied to specific quantities of Mass.

    It doesn't matter if an object is made out of wood or iraon or if it is 10,000 Metric Tons or if it weighs 1 oz....both will fall at the same rate in a vacuum or if they have the same aerodynamics.

    A Graviton would also have to apply itself relative to the amount of mass and this is why a Graviton does not exist because if it did....Objects would not fall at the same rate.

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    And here is another bit of PROOF a Graviton does not exist.

    As Gravity is the warping of Space-Time in a One Dimensional Fashion it effects the ACTUAL SPACE-TIME thus any Particle or Particle/Wave Form such as a Photon which is LIGHT will travel along the Space-Time Curvature that is being Warped.

    A PHOTON has ZERO MASS and travels at 186,282 miles per second yet we can see some stars that are PHYSICALLY BLOCKED by our Suns diameter as the light from these stars travels along the Space-Time curvature generated by our Suns Gravity well.

    A Graviton could not do this.

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    Oh, right. The Philadelphia Experiment, that's it. A terrible loss.

    Oh and wow you know a lot of people. I guess that's what happens when you go outside and meet people.
     
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    Okay, so a gravitational pull is an effect that warps space-time.

    The smallest amount of mass causes a pull as it warps space. The more mass accumulates the greater the pull or warping.

    Now, does this mean many tiny points of pull that sum up or is this one center of mass that Coalesces and morphs its location of warp based on the mass and its shape?
     
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    Here is an issue that was brought up in regards to warp drive. I am a member of an Astronomy forum as well and this topic came up a few months ago over there and this forum is full of real life Astrophysicists. But I am not one of them so I am paraphrasing big time and my numbers are completely wrong but here is the idea.

    Lets use Star Trek warp speeds to make it easier :)

    Lets say in a 100 years we are able to build a legit warp drive that can power a ship at the speed of light. Warp^1. Then we launch it to Gliese 581, there's a possible Earth-Like planet there in the habitable zone. Its 20 light years away so we'll get there in 20 years.

    Then lets say 10 years later we make a breakthrough and develop Warp^2. Thats 8x the speed of light. Then we say well hell this is faster lets launch this to Gliese 581 too. It'll get there in 2.5 years. So 12.5 years after we launched our first "Enterprise" Warp^1 starship our new "Enterprise Version 2.0" starship has swooped right past our original ship and is already there while the first Enterprise is still chugging along with 7.5 years left to go.

    Then we develop Warp^3. Thats 27x the speed of light. We launch that too and it swoops right past BOTH of our Enterprise ships and gets to Gliese 581 in 7 months. Then comes back to Earth and finds that relativity has screwed everything all up and they report that Gliese 581 had nobody there. So new NASA says alright go somewhere else and look. So it goes somewhere else. Meanwhile NASA can't communicate with the Enterprise 1 because signals travel at the speed of light and it since Enterprise 1 is already 10 light years away itll take 10 years for NASA's message saying "Hey turn around that planet sucks" to get to them. Then Enterprise 2 gets there 2.5 years later and sees that the planet is dead so it turns around and comes home and also sees how relativity screwed everything up. On the way back they wave to Enterprise 1 saying "Turn around that planet sucks". Enterprise 1 says ok and turns around and Enterprise 2 leaves them in the dust.

    So Enterprise 3.0 is now chugging along in a different direction going to a new planet and something zips by them then goes back home to Earth by the time Enterprise 3 even got to the new planet. What was that?...

    NASA developed Warp^4 now. Then Warp^5, and so on and so forth.

    See the issue here? Space is so HUGE and it will still take so long to get places even going the speed of light that we may very well develop technology in the meantime that surpasses what we already launched out there. We could build a "generation ship" if we can go exactly the speed of light and send it to Gliese 581 and by the time it gets halfway there we develop even better technology that just zips right past it making the entire mission pointless.

    I used the Warp factors because they are easier to deal with and I used Gliese 581 because its 20 light years away which is an easy number to play with. The Astrophysics folks on the other forum were talking in much smaller numbers and talking about sending things to Alpha Centauri going like .2c and .5c etc. The concept itself was the same and they were actually using speeds that are in the realm of possibility. But it was the same concept, something like if you build engines that can go .2c and launch them to Alpha Centauri then develop engines that can go .5c and launch them then the second one will zoom right past the first one before it even gets there, and so on and so forth. Plus due to relativity the people on the second ship would be older (or younger) than the first ones and the people on Earth would be dead or something by the time you got there and you'd be seeing all sorts of paradox stuff going on or something. It was really informative and cool.

    It was an interesting discussion, I wish I could find the discussion again and I wish I was good enough at math and physics to accurately explain what they were saying.
     
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    When an object warps the space that it sits in, is it a pull by the object, or is it a push, by the warped space time? So the greater the mass of the object, the more space time is displaced, which creates a greater PUSH against the object? Or is it just really a moot distinction? Just two perspectives of the same effect?

    So, is space, elastic?
     
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    It's BS. All that quatum physics is BS.
     
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    This NASA Project seems to have an air of authenticy around it.

    I have asked a few questions to people I know and I was told not to ask questions about this project.

    I then realised that the ONLY reason this project has been made public is because they intend on spending some SERIOUS AMOUNTS OF MONEY developing a Warp Drive and the only reason they went public is that such large amounts...and off the top of my head I am figuring over $100 Billion just to START....is too large of an amount to bury within the Black Projects aspect of the U.S. Military budget as to coin a phrase from the movie Independence Day...."You don't really think they spend $2000.00 on a HAMMER or $10,000 on a TOILET SEAT do you?"

    No...no they don't.

    And that is how they bury the costs of the THOUSANDS of U.S. Military BLACK PROGRAMS that are underway.

    This NASA Project however is going to cost major money.

    They would never be able to bury the entire cost of this Project so they made it public.

    As far as being able to create a Warp Bubble to be able to basically allow a Space Craft to..."FALL".....toward a specific direction and what a Warp Bubble or Warping Space-Time is doing is actually changing the Space-Time Universal Dimensionality within this Bubble which the craft would we within allowing the craft to..."FALL"....in the direction intended.

    This is a bit different from FOLD SPACE Tech. as when Folding Space-Time you are doing the same thing except to the extent where if you imagine Space-Time as a piece of paper and if you draw a point to represent the location you are at then draw another point to represent the destination point....then if you FOLD the piece of paper that represents the Space-Time between each point so that the points alllign then poke a hole through each paper to connect both points with a pin....that is traveling without moving thus FOLDING SPACE-TIME.

    A War Drive is more like what is described on Star Trek as they use an Matter/Antimatter reaction in order to generate the necessary amount of energy to represent Mass thus create a WARP FIELD or WARP BUBBLE which the ship or space craft FALLS in the direction of and travels within a SUB-SPACE which is a different aspect of Space-Time Universal Dimensionality.

    The fact they are actually working on this does not surprise me....the fact they MADE IT PUBLIC....suprises the HELL out of me.

    But they must be at a point they have to start spending HUGE amounts of money that are so large they cannot be hidden.

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    Please stop talking since warping space is quantum physics. It is not bs...
     
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    If all that Quantum Physics was B.S. then you would not have CELL PHONES, QUANTUM COMPUTERS, QUANTUM TELEPORTATION which they have not only been doing upon MOLECULE AND LARGER SIZED OBJECTS but which is part of how a Quantum Computer works.....and many other things we use today.

    You would not have DIFFERENT COLORS....you would not be able to CHANGE CHANNELS on either your Car Radio or on T.V. because FREQUENCY is an aspect of Quantum Mechanics.

    We would not have Microwave Ovens, Radio Communication, etc...etc...etc.

    So I think you should read up a little on Quantum Mechanics because it is so much a part of your daily life.

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    Bah I got rid of my microwave because it was crap and I had to throw out my phone because it stopped working.

    That stuff's failed science.

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    Talking? I'm the only one not blabbering.
     
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    There is no pushing or pulling like Electromagnetics as if you have two magnets and you try to place them together at each Pole that is the same they PUSH one another away.

    If you do this with opposite Poles they attract.

    With Gravity....a Quantum Particle/Wave Form called the Higgs Boson generates a FIELD....we call the HIGGS FIELD.

    It is the HIGGS FIELD which gives Hardons...ie...Protons, Neutrons and Pions....to have MASS.

    Any amount of MASS will WARP SPACE-TIME in a ONE DIMENSIONAL FASHION.

    Thus what is happening is that the actual GEOMETRIC DISTANCES OF SPACE-TIME are being changed.

    Imagine Space-Time as a piece of Paper.

    You and a friend hold this piece of...say....4ft x 4ft paper on each corner and pull it tight.

    Another friend places a 3 inch in diameter ball of wood in the center and this causes the paper to bend slightly around the area of the ball.

    Next you place a 1 lbs ball of Ceramic and this causes the paper to bend and WARP itself to a much greater degree around this 3 inches in diameter ball of Ceramic.

    Next a 3 inch in diameter BALL OF STEEL which weighs 2 lbs is placed in the center of the 4 ft by 4 ft sheet of paper and the paper warps to a great degree around the ball of Gold thus the greater the amount of MASS the GREATER THE WARPING OF SPACE-TIME....which means THE GREATER THE GRAVITATIONAL EFFECT.

    Now.....you do this again with a 3 inch in diameter ball of GOLD that weighs 12 lbs and what happens is we are using the 12 lbs ball of GOLD to represent a star that was a SUPER RED GIANT and was at one time the DIAMETER OF A BEACH BALL.....as if you took a 36 inch in diameter 12 lbs hollow ball of WOOD you and your friend would have to hold on tight to the 4 corners of the paper but the paper would support the 12 lbs hollow ball of wood that is 36 inches in diameter but the paper would support the 12 lbs of weight as the size of the 12 lbs hollow ball and it's weight is spread over a much larger area of the paper which represents SPACE-TIME allows the 12 lbs to be widely distributed and thus it is supported.

    But you remove the 12 lbs hollow ball of wood that is 36 inches in diameter and you replace it with a 3 inch in diameter 12 lbs ball of GOLD.....which represents the at one time SUPER RED GIANT STAR that has COLLAPSED as once the Star has completely fused all it's Hydrogen into Helium there is no more outward thrust of Thermonuclear Exposions thus the Super Massive Red Giant collapses down into a a ball represented by the 3 inch ball of GOLD and what happens.....the 12 lbs 3 inch in diameter ball of GOLD is too heavy or contains too much MASS for the paper representing SPACE-TIME to support so the ball of GOLD rips through the paper...or as a representation the collapsed Super Massive Red Giant Star collapses down to a point that SPACE-TIME cannot support it's incredible MASS....and it RIPS THROUGH THE FABRIC OF SPACE-TIME....creating a BLACK HOLE!!

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    Well, Gravity is described using the math of the Inverse Square Law, Gravity (GM÷r[SUP]2[/SUP]).

    What this means is that there's a gravitational constant that is a fundamental property of the Universe, and wherever mass exists or accumulates it multiplies the gravity constant by the amount of mass present.

    And the Effect it has on you or other object is based on the square of the distance between you and the center of mass. The warp is stronger the closer to the center of mass you are, and weaker the farther away you are.


    I can't comment upon whether space is elastic.
     
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    LOL!!!

    Well....your on your Computer right now are you not?

    You have Electrons and in the case of Fiber Optics....Photon's at all sorts of frequencies being transmitted and conducted in the case of Electrons....so...righ there!

    You can't get away from it.

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    I would consider space an elastic fabric of time since it can easily be warped around an object to gain traction this pdf has a great math proof to prove the space is elastic using quantum physics as their proof.
    http://www.gsjournal.net/old/science/znidarsic2.pdf
     
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    Yeah except the joke is on you because this is a borrowed computer.

    heh heh heh!
     
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    How are those electrons in your computer transmitting your message right now then if your not typing away on your computer? That's also quantum physics and a little bit of quantum mechanics for you to think on before you type out a nonsense post on your borrowed computer.
     

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