Natural CO2 emissions completely swamp manmade CO2 emissions in our atmosphere

Mate, the trees make the forest. Your problem is that you have missed the trees, all you can see is the forest.

Here's another idea, why don't me wack a bit of extra tax on 'luxury' electrical goods? Things like the many and various kitchen widgets, huge tv's, cd players and tv program recorders, telephones that plug into power points etc etc. We have become a society that consumes electricity for the most frivulous reasons. How about closing TV down from midnight to midday? That would save gigawatts and God only knows how much co2 pouring out of power stations. What about banning the importation of stuff that we already have plenty of? Shipping and flying stuff all over the world unnecessarily would contribute vast amounts of co2. Why should we create air pollution from huge ships to bring tomatoes from South America when we already have plenty of tomatoes of our own? Why are we filling the upper atmosphere with pollutents from planes flying vegetables and fish from Asia and Europe when we can produce more than enough right here in Australia?

 

Your example is a bad one because the boat has a fixed volume so it makes no sense.

The amount of carbon in our earth and in our seas is well pretty much limitless.



As can be seen from our history nature has thrown up 20 more times CO2 into the atmosphere than we have today, thats nature not man, man wasn't even around back then or so they say and we think.

Today we have some of the lowest amounts of CO2 EVER in our atmosphere and also the coolest temperatures, ist only part of the natural cycle of the earth that CO2 would rise and fall in correlation with the temperature.

Temperature drives the amount of CO2 in our armosphere not the other way around as Al Gore and the pigs behind him would have us believe.

So in the past we have had 7000 ppm of CO2 in our atmosphere, did this amount of CO2 drive a green house effect NO!

Did it cause a runaway greenhouse effect NO!

Make no mistake i will be the first to say that i want corporations to clean up their pollution, but dont p!ss down my back and tell me its raining.

You guys have to see through all the fog that bankers and their corporations are throwing up playing on your emotions for a cleaner Earth.

Bankers want to start carbon credit farming - buying and selling on the supposed FREE MARKET.

Why would banks pump $50 billion dollars into the climate change fund???????

Once this market is up and running do you honestly think they will care about our enviroment and the amount of pollution we send into the sky?

They will be more interested in keeping this market healthy which means more pollution for the farming and selling of more carbon credits.

Please guys wake up FFS

Grass roots level is the only way to deal with CO2 there is no other alternative.

AGW is a con the biggest lie next to the mini iceage of the seventies and global warming of the 80's and 90's.

Bankers own the corporations that gives us electricty.

And they want us to pay through the nose for using it!

By the way they now own channel 9 too, i wonder if we'll see some climate change alarmist propaganda coming out of there??????

 

Australia's contribution 1.5% of all manmade CO2.

Yet we have the most expesive carbon tax in the wolrd!!!

Bankers think we are a gold mine just waiting to be plundered.

The lucky country yuh yuh yeah if your a fat pig business moguel, for the general population its going to get much harder to get ahead in this beautiful country of ours.

Life is only going to get tougher, sydney was rated as the second most expenisve city to live in.

Thats pk though cause,

Bankers think we are a gold mine just waiting to be plundered.

Any of you guys lost your jobs yet or are on the brink??

Bankers ar tightening the money supply and calling in the loans so brace yourselves for worse to come.

Actually this is just the beginning the want to bend us over the kiychen table like their doing to the EU, the US hell the whole world.

The question is how far are we willing to let them take while we are fleeced.

I still think we should have a nation bank,

We should own our own resources and mine them reaping 100% of the profits thats our government gees imagine how low taxation could be.

We should own our utilities, public transport, telecommunicartions etc etc.

Bankers and coprarions should be UNDER government not above them and the law of the land.

 

And by the way its not communism for our government to own the big monopolies.

Its communism if you believe Milton Friedman and his ideologies on capatalism.

I have lived under our government owning the monopolies and privatisation.

I prefer the government owning them, when our government owned them we weren't a communist nation and we never had the taxation we have today.

You dont have to be a rocket scientist.

If our government is getting all these billions of dollars our taxation will be less.

Plus the government thinks of the future as well including infrastructure, services, health etc etc.

These fat pigs under privatisation only think of increasing their profits.

Its not communism it never has been, we have lived it, so dont get brain washed into thinking it is.

 

I was playing "devils's advocate" lola!! Was FUN!!

 

I was playing "devils's advocate" lola!! Was FUN!!

 

Yeah, sure.

 

Made you think though - and strange thing was most of your suggestions have already been explored

Just remember that the most common answer to the question "why don't they" is money or rather lack of

 

I disagree BB, money is never a problem when it comes to funding some politicians bright idea. The NBN is a classic example as was the tens of millions wasted on things like Fuel Watch and Grocery Watch and the insulation debacle, various bids for things like the olympics or most recently a temporary seat on the UN security council.
The answer to "why don't they" is lack of foresight, lack of hindsight, lack of commitment, lack of vision, plain ignorance, "I'm not interested because there's nothing in it for me", It's too hard, it will take to long, an attitude of "I don't care because I'm alright Jack" and "I don't want to change my comfortable existence" and "I don't care because, well, I don't care".

 

I agree, and the seat on the UN Security Council highlights this. 25 million it has cost, that's a couple of new schools, a new aged care facility, community centre, numerous disabled playgrounds, etc. etc. the list goes on. These are direct benefits to us the people. What will this seat do for us ? Lets not get started on fuel watch, or grocery watch. These were gross misappropriations of funds for, lets face it, ridiculous ideas .

Power breeds greed.

 

The U.S used to be the richest nation in the world....It would be a good idea to listen to Adultmale on this...don't blow your future like we did over here.

 

Its too late they control everything here as well.

 

Okay - have to concede a point there - but if you really look into some of the suggestions then yes it still comes down to selling an expensive idea to the public

 

In the big scheme, 25 million isn't a lot, Australians gamble 3 times that much. The UN, love them or loath them, make decisions which affect us or our trading partners, it is important we have a presence.

 

I disagree DV. It has not been of any importance up until now. So why now ?

In my opinion it is a blatent ego boosting measure from a government that has had a fair image beat up over the last few years. It is something that they can say, " hey look Australia, in our term of government we were able to get us a seat on the United Nations security council ".

DV it is of no direct benefit to the people of Australia. If you have information I don't please post it. I want to know how it is going to change my life, or those around me. Now this money could of been spent at home on things that will directly benefit communities. This is an egocentric play from a government who would like to think they are mightier than they are. Plus it is one more friendly vote that the USA has on the council. Nothing more , nothing less.

 

then prove him wrong

 

Well for a start we could tell the Americans where to put their heads next time they want to start a war and drag us into it

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-19/australia-wins-seat-on-un-security-council/4321946

 

I'd be worried if you didn't.

 

BB the USA were our main backers. There would be no way we would tell them to pull their heads in. We are there for them ! You see very shortly there will be a vote on Iran and whether or not to further sanctions or worse still. The USA will need all the friends on that council it can get.

Anyway it is only a temporary seat. We are only renting it !

 

DV I am grinning.

 

Ta mate - did not realise that. BTW this is the third time we have had a temporary seat. I just hope we can talk some sense into the US - do NOT want to start another war in the ME

 

A lot of money for a temporary seat don't you think ?

Lot of other things to spend that sort of dollars on at the moment.

 

you should see all the cutbacks happening in Queensland

 

You say that as though Juliar and Labor have in the past given us the OPTION to buy one of their expensive ideas. Juliar and Labor are going to find out at the next election what Australians think of having their expensive ideas forced upon them.

 

Don't think for a minute Abbott and the Libs wouldn't of done the same thing.

It may of been one those USA requests. Like , " gee it would be good if you lot had one of those UN seats. YOU should put in for it. Let me repeat it would be good for YOU ", or something like that.

Backbone is not something either of these parties have.