Negotiate Peace With Russia to Prevent War Over Ukraine

That is false. The North Korean military is poorly equipped and poorly trained. They can't sustain in battle. They don't have the resources. They have no war time experience in their leadership. They are not a credible force.


The US would crush NK in a matter of hours. It would be more of a rout than the first gulf war against Iraq.

 

Poland was under Nazi and USSR control during WW2.
The USSR took control of it when the Nazis were defeated.
AFAIK there was no ethnic cleansing by Ukrainians, unless you mean Russians.
and since Poland is now a member of the EU, there is no discussion about "taking back" any land unless it is by some tiny cell of ubernationalists.

I would be interested in your explanation.

and no I am not going to bite at your clear disapproval of the UK which has clearly stated it does not want to actively move against Russia in Ukraine, even though Russia has twice poisoned UK citizens in the UK.

 

I wonder how carefully you have read the contents of this memorandum and whether you have read it at all?

 

Ah yes, as if Washington hasn't done these things in Syria to blame Assad.




THE EMPIRE OF CHAOS

We see no evil! No we don't!

We hear no evil! No we don't!

We speak no evil! No we don't!​

Just look around, we are the best

which wearest the eternal crown
​

of fairness, love, humanity

compassion and integrity.​

And this is why we'll never fall

and why we're loved by one and all.
​

And why they bow before our name.

Our majesty, our trust and fame.​

For unlike those that ruled before,

we'll always be adored. - Jeannette

​

 

Here is the famous 'memorandum': https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume 3007/Part/volume-3007-I-52241.pdf

Now... instead of being all mysterious and dismissive about it, you might be good enough to tell us what in it that you're alluding to...?

 

Hello, perhaps English is not your first language. I'm glad to help. Nowhere in the article you linked to does it quote anyone as saying that nobody in Ukraine is worried about Russia invading them. In fact, it quotes several Ukrainian residents as saying they are worried and living in tension because of Russia's posturing as if they might invade. The Defense Minister you alluded to merely said the invasion is not "imminent" and was trying to reassure people to remain calm and prevent mass panic. That is not the same thing as him saying no one in Ukraine is worried about Russia invading them (further than they already have), which is how you apparently misinterpreted it. Hope this helps.

 

Thanks for your 'help', Sentinel, I "misinterpreted" nothing, unless Reznikove is either a fool or an abject liar. What he, the UKRAINIAN DEFENSE MINISTER, actually said, according to the story at the link, was:

"Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov told parliament that “as of today, there are no grounds to believe” Russia will invade imminently, noting that its troops have not formed what he called a battle group to force its way over the border.

“Don't worry, sleep well,” he said. “No need to have your bags packed.”

Now, THAT, plus the fact that Putin is going to fly over to Beijing soon to enjoy himself at the Winter Olympics for several weeks, while he leaves the tedious, back-and-forth business of playing political 'chess' to Lavrov and Shoigu, seems to convey a reality that differs somewhat from a diaper-soiling World War III, nicht war?

 

Really? May I ask what your native language is, then? I've worked with a lot of non-native English speakers, so I know one when I see one.

If you don't know Russian, then how can you fully appreciate Putin's speeches when admiring him? I think there's a YouTube channel dedicated to learning Russian with clips of his speeches. You should check that out.

Hmm. I think you've answered my question, but not in the way you intended.

 

This is the way to deal with Putin.
Threaten to hit him in the pockets, along with many of his cronies.

The Magnitsky Act, formally known as the Russia and Moldova Jackson–Vanik Repeal and Sergei Magnitsky Rule of Law Accountability Act of 2012, is a bipartisan bill passed by the U.S. Congress and signed into law by President Barack Obama in December 2012, intending to punish Russian officials responsible for the death of Russian tax lawyer Sergei Magnitsky in a Moscow prison in 2009 and also to grant permanent normal trade relations status to Russia.

Since 2016, the bill, which applies globally, authorizes the U.S. government to sanction those it sees as human rights offenders, freeze their assets, and ban them from entering the U.S.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnitsky_Act

If enough signatories threatened it at the same time, Putin would back off rapidly. It is calculated that he has hidden over 50 billion dollars for both himself and his mates.

IMO this is the kind of "force" that should be used.

 

I have read a summary and since it had not been discussed before, why not introduce another "angle?

 

Russia has shown it will use examples of anyone in 'the West' even talking about bringing a country into NATO as a pretext for invading and occupying large chunks of it before it can be done. The best we can probably hope for at this point is a deadlock while both sides bluster and their leaders beat their chests while displaying their toxic masculinity. (And I'm not one who usually uses that phrase, but this really does come across as a dick waving competition all around.)

 

The Russians poisoned in London were double agents that the MI6 felt were more profitable dead as anti Putin propaganda ruses, than alive.

Their deaths frightened some Russian tax evaders in London, so that they negotiated a return to Moscow and a willingness to return their stolen money, rather than remain in London and up as another anti Putin propaganda asset.

As for the genocide of Poles by the Nazi allied anti Russian Western Ukrainians, it was to ethnically cleanse the Poles so they could establish their own nation. Today they celebrate Stephen Bandera's birthday with torchlight parades which is reminiscent of the Nazis.

Bandera is considered the father of their nation for his leadership in helping to exterminate the Poles - even though the real father of their country would be Stalin for having made it part of the Ukrainian administration.

According to records, the barbarity shocked even the hardened Germans. The reason the Poles were so willing to accept Ukraine into the EU, was with the hope they would be compensated for the lands they lost as well as for their city of Lviv.

Over 100,000 slaughtered with axes, pitchforks, scythes and knives: The Wołyń massacre started 76 years ago today and lasted for two years

The killings were directly linked with radical Ukrainian nationalist Stepan Bandera’s Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and its military arm, the Ukrainian Insurgent Army.

Their goal was to purge all non-Ukrainians from a future Ukrainian state. They wanted not only to purge Polish civilians, but also to erase all traces of Polish presence in the area.

The prelude to the murders of the Polish population in Wołyń was carried out on 9 February 1943 by a unit of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, which murdered 173 Poles in the village of Parośla I by tying up the victims and slaughtering them with axes.

Ukrainian attacks against Poles intensified on 11 July 1943. At the crack of dawn that day Ukrainian insurgent detachments, supported by local Ukrainians, simultaneously surrounded and attacked 99 Polish villages in the Kowel, Włodzimierz Wołyński, Horochów and Łuck districts. The Ukrainians ruthlessly slaughtered Polish civilians and destroyed their homes.

Villages were burned to the ground and property was looted. Researchers estimate that on that day alone the number of Polish victims may have amounted to some 8,000 people, mostly women, children, and the elderly.

This coordinated operation lasted until July 16th, but the massacres still continued. In July 1943 alone, 530 Polish villages were cleared of their residents and burned. Only a minority managed to escape.

A new wave of massacres took place in early 1944 that took advantage of the withdrawal of the German army.






Polish victims of a massacre committed by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army in the village of Lipniki, Wołyń, 1943.​

 

What's YOUR 'native language', @The Sentinel ? Is it English-English, or, as I suspect, contemporary 'American-English'...?

Disclosure: my 'native language', since you chose to disparage me personally, is English-English, although I'm reasonably conversant in the halting, badly-constructed, monosyllabic mash-up known as 'American-English'. Now that I've 'shown-you-mine', show us YOURS....

 

Are you saying MI6 organised the murders???

Ukraine is not a member of the EU and frankly, we live on different planets.
I am not going to go down this rabbit hole, which is well off topic and highly dubious. I have no idea who killed who from fuzzy pictures. Sorry.

 

Ukraine was a Russian state right? If California managed to secede, regardless of nobody wanting it anyway, no one can tell me the U.S. wouldn't use all force necessary to get it back.

When I think of Ukraine, my thoughts are Ukraine is a corrupt place; Biden had multiple suspicious business deals with them; I suspect now the Ukranians are demanding a fee for their silence.

 

Trump had some suspicious deals with Russia involving hotels IIR.
Ukraine is ATM a free sovereign nation but culturally splits into east and west. It doesn't BELONG to anyone.

 

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So tell me Pixie, have they found Vladimir Putin's billions yet, I mean they've been looking for it for decades now? It could be buried behind one of his billion-dollar mansions you know?

Unless of course he doesn't have money and that he actually does love his country and it does supersede his pocket. But then again that's hard to believe after all projection is alive and well in our upside-down world where criminality has become a virtue and integrity a crime.

As for Putin's cronies, well maybe they are his cronies because they're willing to pay their taxes and give something back to the country he loves - rather than run out with their ill-gotten funds the way the others did.

So tell me, do you honestly think hitting people's pockets with loyalty and integrity will do anything other than hurt the EU and the US in the end? Russia has responded equally to every stupidity of ours, and it will respond as well to anything else the neo liberal cons can think up for their own self-serving interests.




Unlike some others in our sphere,
to me Russia is: 'Mother Dear'.

So if you try to break her heart
and vilely try to grab a part,

through devious means with lies and guile
which as we know is your style,

then also know you'll suffer ill
and find it a very bitter pill.

As others have who came before
and didn't know what was in store

for them.- Jeannette

 

Well, c'mon.... Look, Putin has been putting his Ph.D. in Economics to good use, you might say, for at least the last ten years. He is surely an 'oligarch's-oligarch' by now, and he expects and GETS cooperation from a host of oligarchs who run a variety of enterprises in Russia.

In a disciplined, but loosely-knit association, together they practice an interesting, nationalistic form of what's being called "Neo-Capitalism". Putin could never command respect among these powerful, ruthless multi-billionaires if he weren't one himself!

BTW, in all likelihood, Xi Jinping "herds cats" in much the same way in China, but with even greater power than Putin exerts in Russia....

 

Are you kidding? I'm lucky I'm even able to write at my age. I couldn't speak English though when I went to Kindergarten, so in that sense English is my second language. My first language was Greek, but their vocabulary is so extensive that I can hardly understand anything anymore - although my accent was always good.

I did read direct English translations of what Putin said, rather than the conclusions of what he says from our propaganda networks. Also as a devout Orthodox, I understand his philosophical and religious beliefs. Putin has always had monastic Elders as spiritual fathers and he does go on spiritual retreats. He keeps it though from the public for obvious reasons.

At one time his spiritual father was the Elder Ephraim of Vatopedi Monastery in Mount Athos, but since it's part of Greece and the EU, it caused political problems for the Elder, so Putin switched to a local monastic Elder. I recall a few years back that he had suggested to the governors in Russia that they should read three books by religious philosophers on their holiday - probably to instill some virtue into them - or maybe to keep them from being swayed by Western standards and values.

Since he is a devout Orthodox, he doesn't believe in propagating or imposing ones own beliefs and standards on others. He realizes as I do, that there are innate differences between people and cultures. If there is growth spiritually and morally, as there should be in everyone, then it can only come about within one's own cultural comprehension and understanding. This is why Vladimir Putin will never bow to Western impositions - and he should be understood in that context.

Vladimir Putin in reference to the US -

"...You cannot impose political standards of behavior on other countries and people while ignoring their special nature which includes the ethnic and religouos structure and historical traditions. I think that eventually they will understand this..."

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Putin commands respect because he has the power to nationalize the holdings of the oligarchs. He put Khodorovsky who was the wealthiest in jail. Putin's power lies in the Intelligence agencies he worked for and that's what Washington was never able to understand.

Vladimir Putin allowed the oligarchs to hold on to their ill-gotten goods, as long as they paid their taxes, did not get involved in politics and treated the workers fairly.

As for his integrity, well here are some quotes from Sharon Tennyson who worked for 30 years in the USSR and later Russia, and who met him before he was president. You should read the whole article, it's quite interesting and gives an accurate picture of Vladimir Putin.

"Out on the sidewalk, I said to my colleague, “Volodya, this is the first time we have ever dealt with a Soviet bureaucrat who didn’t ask us for a trip to the US or something valuable!” I remember looking at his business card in the sunlight–it read Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin..."​

"...February 2000: Almost immediately Putin began putting Russia’s oligarchs on edge. In February a question about the oligarchs came up; he clarified with a question and his answer: “What should be the relationship with the so-called oligarchs? The same as anyone else. The same as the owner of a small bakery or a shoe repair shop.”​

"...March 2000: I arrived in St.Petersburg. A Russian friend (a psychologist) since 1983 came for our usual visit. My first question was, “Lena what do you think about your new president?” She laughed and retorted, “Volodya! I went to school with him!” She began to describe Putin as a quiet youngster, poor, fond of martial arts, who stood up for kids being bullied on the playgrounds.."​

"...Last, each was asked, “So what do you think of your new president?” None responded negatively, even though at that time entrepreneurs hated Russia’s bureaucrats. Most answered similarly, “Putin registered my business a few years ago”. Next question, “So, how much did it cost you?” To a person they replied, “Putin didn’t charge anything”. One said, “We went to Putin’s desk because the others providing registrations at the Marienskii were getting ‘rich on their seats.'”

https://russialist.org/sharon-tennison-russia-report-on-putin/​

 

Because the KGB always demonizes Russia's victims when Russia invades them.

Ukraine is being demonized.

Russia is planning to invade and conquer the whole of Ukraine. They are massing forces to the north of Ukraine to strike directly at Ukraine's capital.

Look at Georgia 2008 and Ukraine 2014.

Putin always conducts his invasions during the Olympics.

 

Nonsense.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Kiev

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cossack_Hetmanate

Not likely.

It is proper that the US opposed the Russia/Assad genocide against the Syrian people.

 

Good move. A heavy military presence in Poland and Romania will be able to repel a Russian invasion into the EU.


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No. Ukraine and Russia were both separate and equal parts of the USSR.

This would be like the US breaking apart, and then Nevada trying to invade and conquer California.

 

... and, sure enough, the SILENCE is deafening....

Suggestion: Taten sagen mehr als Worte... in any language... whether 'native' or otherwise.

 

Russia can be defeated militarily.

The insurgency in Syria was a spontaneous development. People just naturally resisted Assad's attempts to commit genocide against them.

Nonsense.

The only tyrants in Syria are Assad and Putin.

That would be nice but is a bit much to hope for.

More likely that they just hope that Ukrainians will be able to fend off the Russian aggressors.

It was Russia and Assad that destroyed Syria.

It is Russia that is causing harm to Ukraine.

If Russia invades the EU, their invasion will be eradicated.

No. It will be Russian agents who do that.

Russia is the country that is carrying out the provocations and manipulations.

Russia is the country that is killing innocent people and trying to destroy Ukraine.

Provide them with non-German arms.

The propaganda and deception is coming from Russia.

It is Russia who is known for poisoning people.

It is Russia who conducts such false flag attacks.

It was Russia's buddy Assad who conducted chemical attacks in Syria.

It is Russia who invaded Georgia and Ukraine.

Nope. Russia actually was the aggressor. Saakashvili was only trying to protect his country from Russia's invasion.

Nonsense.

No such genocide. Russia invades other countries out of their own aggression.