Neutrality of Teachers

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  1. Daggdag

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    There re always parents who get bad because a school doesn't teach their kids the same biased BS that they teach them at home.

    I had a friend growing up whose father was a white supremacist. His father got mad that the school was teaching about the holocaust and Nazi atrocities because he believed that the they were all lies.
     
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    No they’re not.... And we wonder why people aren’t going into education? Teachers are the scapegoat
     
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    Teachers should be neutral in their presentations. But my 9th grade history teacher had a hard time doing that because he was the chairman of the Democratic Party in our city.
     
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    That's the way the Leftist works.

    Infiltration.

    Elementary, middle, high schools, universities and colleges.
     
  5. Cari

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    Yes I see it must be difficult for teachers when parents interfere we have a name for that in the UK it’s called a ‘Nanny State’ when individuals tell us what to read, what to watch etc. Political Correctness has gone way too far.There have been some very good contributions and the one I really like is my teachers taught me to think. Exactly, one way to do this is to ask a class questions. Coming back to your post--- Question: do you think that certain books should be banned? Write every answer on the blackboard then go through them again asking questions.
    In the end you will arrive at a conclusion which you can if you wish to comment on.
     
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    My son is a teacher and he is a very middle of the road guy, but the past 5 years or so even though surrounded by liberals 8 hours a day he has simply watched and listened to the things coming out of the mouths of democrats and I see him leaning toward the right more and more every day. He thinks that the democratic party has lost their collective minds and he sees other teachers trying to indoctrinate kids everyday.

    We have talked at length about the very subject of teaching kids to think for themselves but for most liberal teachers they are wholeheartedly against that. You are not allowed to form your own opinions in public schools these days or you will be crushed, unless of course your opinion marches in goose step with the left, then you are a smart kid.
     
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    That a rather stupid assertion because now you claim that all monarchies in Europe were communist...
     
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    You just remember that when you think you know what is going on in a school
     
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    One of the best classes I ever witnessed was the one where the teacher had the East Texas students make up a pro and con work sheet on, "Whether the South should have won or lost the Civil War," with the challenge of being honest to the values of the DoI and the Constitution.
     
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    Well, that, if the claim is real, is stupid. But since stupidity is rooted in unwillingness to learn far more than intellect, recovery is possible.
     
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    A teacher should approach politics and religion with a commonsensical point of view, so as to inspire in the students respect for their own common sense. That such a teacher will pretty much always present as a right winger against the backdrop of the current political environment is not the least bit problematic for the students.
     
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    I don't recall ever knowing my teachers political bias or affiliations it just never came up.

    The only time I remember politics even coming up as when I took americanism versus communism. A v C.
     
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    I concur with the essence of what you say, but there are some deviations. No science backs up creationism as literally described in the bible, but there is scientific evidence for a degree of creationism that goes beyond pure (literal, if you will) evolution. There are serious holes in the theory of pure evolution, and serious theory that man's creation was in part due to some supernatural omnipotent force -- God, if you will. I think the evolution holes ought to be taught as should the possibility of some hand of some kind of God involvement should be offered, though that explanation is much less rigorous than evolution theory.

    There are also serious holes in the theory of AGW that ought to be explained (though it gets very complicated for even college students.) However, like biblical literal interpretation, a "hoax" is a bridge too far.
     
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    Okay, let's teach holes in theories. Would you be fine with teachers talking about religion, teaching that there is no scientific evidence that the god as described in the bible exists, and that, from a scientific point of view, god would have to be extremely cruel to have created the universe the way it exists?

    The second law of thermodynamics teaches us that the universe keeps evolving toward a state of higher entropy, until the maximum entropy state is reached, called the heat death of the universe. At this point, no more life can exist. Isn't that an extremely cruel end to life? Why did god design it that way, if he was all powerful and all loving?

    Now, when I teach the heat death of the universe in my class, do I violate the feelings of the religious students in my class?

    You see, the answer to the question in the OP is not black and white.

    Mind you, I tend to avoid such discussions in class, since they are emotionally charged. However, sometimes I have students ask questions, so I am forced to comment. Usually, I preface with saying that my answer is not political, I am just giving the answer from the pure thermodynamics point of view. Such are the times, that you have to VERY careful in class, so your video doesn't show up on some RW crackpot site, smearing you as a typical lefty brain washing professor, while taking the discussion fully out of context.
     
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    No we just need conservatives to leave the public sector and go into teaching
     
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    No, a teacher may certainly impart his beliefs. The problem occurs if he/she presents her beliefs as truth or the only reasonable viewpoint. As long as she presents both sides she can certainly express why she feels the way she does. A teacher defending her position is in itself teaching the child how to defend her position.
     
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    Why are you talking or worrying about religion in a science class? Religion is based on faith not facts. Now I would not think it would be correct of you to mention questions of God's presence in young children, but children of the age that they are learning thermals should be no problem. And people of faith will just understand that they don't understand God's will or plan for us.
     
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    That's the way the righties work.

    Infiltration and administrative dominations, snooping around listening and reporting on centrist teachers.

    Elementary, middle, high schools, universities and colleges.

    Check out how they do it in public schools: Vista School District, Vista, California.
     
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    Science is based on factual evidence, Religion on faith.

    The standards of proof are different.
     
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    The issue of religion in science class (which I am not touching, btw) is forced onto teachers by people who want creationism taught as an "alternative" view to evolution.

    Second, I have receive questions about the issue in my class. That's why I think about how to handle the issue.
     
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    WTF ?"
     
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    lol
    So what does the accelerating expansion of the universe teach us, Dr. Science?
     
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    I am not going to play your games. Can you comment on teaching "alternative" views, the topic of this thread, even though many "alternative" views have no scientific basis?
     
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    Not in my community, mayb down in the sticks down in the south somewhere but not in Mass. You can take a class in religious studies, In Biology they do a little history of the science whee they go from Aristotle's great chain of being to touch on medieval thought and how it differs from modern scientific discovery.
     
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    Yeah and some communities should pay teachers more than 35,000 to start and you will attract better teachers.
     
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