Newt won again.

Discussion in 'Elections & Campaigns' started by Slyhunter, Jan 7, 2012.

  1. thediplomat2.0

    thediplomat2.0 Banned

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    What you say is important, not how you say it. The only exception I can give to this rule are the gaffes of Rick Perry.
     
  2. NetworkCitizen

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    Newt couldn't win his way out of a wet paper bag with scissors in his hands. That's because he is lying about everything and thinks he is a world-shaking revolutionary international communist.
     
  3. janpor

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    I agree to some degree.

    What I find absolutely disgusting is not his lies persé (afterall, he's a politician) but how he calls everyone a liar when other people are just using his own statements/record against him...
     
  4. Bluesguy

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    So does he call his own son a chicken hawk and especially will he if he, Rand, decides to run for President?

    He never served.
     
  5. RP12

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    Rand didnt dodge a draft nor is he a war monger.
     
  6. greatgeezer

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    During Vietnam? What planet are you from? Or maybe it was before your time? The ONLY way you got a deferment was with a healthy dose of greenbacks to the right person, or your parent was a big muckety muck.
     
  7. RP12

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    You will notice quickly that Ron Paul Bashers rarely use facts.

    The Newt and Santorum fans are the newest ones trying their (*)(*)(*)(*)dest to find something to (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about.
     
  8. Bluesguy

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    What are you talking about?

    "December 1, 1969 marked the date of the first draft lottery held since 1942. This drawing determined the order of induction for men born between January 1, 1944 and December 31, 1950."

    Newton Leroy "Newt" Gingrich; June 17, 1943

    He wasn't subject to the draft. Even if he was by age he was married and by that time had at least one if not two children.

    So if Rand runs for President is Ron Paul going to call him a chicken hawk for not serving. Running for President means on it's face you are saying you are willing to send our troops into harms way. Rand didn't serve either so where does he get the standing to do so if Gingrich doesn't have it?
     
  9. RP12

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    Marriage had nothing to do with it. Neither did kids.

    Chicken Hawk does not mean someone who didnt serve. Its someone who doesnt serve but wants others to die in wars.

    So by no means could Rand be called a "chicken hawk" as he isnt calling for wars.
     
  10. Bluesguy

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    Yes if you were older and had children there were deferments, he was too old anyway so it's a moot point.

    There are no such people unless you mean their enemies. Who doesn't want their enemies to die if we are at war?

    Did he serve? Did he volunteer as Ron Paul seems to think Gingrich should have since he would send our troops into harms way?

    Are you saying if Rand got elected he never would?
     
  11. Roelath

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    Funny how you showed that date between 1944-1950 yet, Ron Paul was born in 1935 which excluded him as well up until the Draft went to the Age Ranges of Twenty to Forty Five years of age.

    Ron Paul born August 20, 1935. Yet was still Drafted!

    Ron Paul was subject to the Draft while he was Married and had children so to say he didn't defer from the Draft is an absolute lie.
     
  12. fiddlerdave

    fiddlerdave Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Newt was exempt from the draft because he voluntarily continued school.

    The voluntary kids reduce your draft classification some, too.

    However, he could have VOLUNTEERED anytime his beliefs in the necessity of wars existed when HE was the one to personally pay the price!

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/08/politics/truth-squad-gingrich-vietnam/index.html

     
  13. Bluesguy

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    The draft never went over age 26.


    He wasn't drafted, he joined the USAF after he graduated medical school and served as a flight surgeon for two years active and 3 years reserve.


    Tell you what, I'll let you go study up a little on the Vietnam Era draft and learn who was subject to it. Then give you a change to revise your remarks. Trying to be fair.

    You can start here

    http://www.sss.gov/lotter1.htm

    BTW my draft number was 143.
     
  14. Roelath

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    In some cases it did go above 30.

    It was either that or the possibility of being in the Army considering the tensions in 1963... at least he joined the Military rather that deferred from service.

    http://www.nndb.com/event/806/000140386/

    http://www.vietnamwardraftlottery.com/phpnuke/modules.php?na...

    http://www.webguild.com/Sentinel/draft_dodgers.htm

    Gingrich decided to keep himself enrolled in College to evade the Draft because of what I mentioned before of the tensions rising in 1963 which those years were prime for him.
     
  15. Bluesguy

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    He was not subject to it.
     
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    I would never vote for him.
     
  17. Bluesguy

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    "December 1, 1969 marked the date of the first draft lottery held since 1942. This drawing determined the order of induction for men born between January 1, 1944 and December 31, 1950."

    Newton Leroy "Newt" Gingrich; June 17, 1943
     
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    HuH?

    Are you really this confused?

    The DRAFT was ongoing all through the 1950's AND 1960's, really getting going in 1963, but draftees were selected by your local draft board, a collection of powerful men in a community.

    The draft LOTTERY that YOU are quoting, was started to try to bring a little more fairness to the draft selection. As it was operated before the lottery, youth with good local connections, usually the wealthy, were simply not drafted.
     
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    Unfortunately for Newt, the Job requirements warrants more than debating skills, just ask the Republicans who fired him.
     
  20. BuckNaked

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    If we needed blatant superiority complex, arrogance, childish immaturity, and another business as usual corporate sock puppet, then by all means Newt would fit the bill.
     
     
    Unfortunately that isn't what this country needs.
     
     
    We need Obummer out that's a give, and someone in there that can stir up the status quo's agenda for America. Paul is the only person who is even close to the need of the latter.
     
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    I know Romney is not conservative enough for many of you, but hr is FAR, FAR better than oboobma. I also think he is the only one that could whip oboobma, so let us not let ideological purity get in the way of electability. I actually would prefer Ron Paul, but I just do not think he could beat oboobma.
     
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    Wow ... you still feel that way, even after seeing these debases? :puke:
     
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    As one who was drafted by a local draft board early 1966, your post is unclear and a bit misleading to me and likely to others. What you posted is true, but no further clarifying than what had been posted.
     
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    Debates?? This is for show. What do you think these corporate clowns are going to do as soon as they get in or back in office? Let me remind you. Business as usual.


    Heard em on TV this morning saying that as soon as Romney takes the White House, jobs will be pouring back into the USA. Really?? Is Romney going to run the place like a communist dictatorship and force people to work for $2.50 a day with absolutely zero benefits in sweatshops and hazardous death traps, with zero regulations and guidelines, working 12-16 hours a day 6 days a week??


    Because that is the only way most of these monopolized corporate entities are going to be swayed in returning manufacturing jobs to the good old US of A.
     
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    Jobs will pour in because under Obama they poured out or stopped.It is not about FORCING anybody to do anything...unless you count the last 4 years of arguing to take from the rich and give to the poor. ( FOR NOTHING )

    This country is voting to do away with government unions and pensions and heath care systems that are 4x the normal working guy.

    The failed Romney Bain Job Closings...???
    Take a drive in your town..Look at the failed and closed GM and Chrysler dealerships that every town has.Look at that gas price when you fill up your car. Look at the older parts of town..away from the freeways..shops are closed down... Businessmen failed.
    Then look at the foreclosures that dot the landscape..
    Huntsman was WRONG..CHINA is already waging an economic war against AMERICA..and WE are LOSING.
    Obama is wrong.. His economic plan FAILED. The middle class and poor paid HIS price for HIS experiment.
    Newt is wrong..Thinking that policies that worked 20 years ago in a different business climate will work today..leadership by the CORRUPTION didn't finish well last time.
    Perry is wrong..He did nothing. The tax structure and oil wells were there when he took office..leading a state down in education and ethics is not what America needs.
    Santorum is wrong ..Funding bridges to no where and crony favors is what we have right now.
    and Poor Paul is wrong .. ending the madness sound great..but do you really think he can do it ?
    Really ...on what historical evidence ?
    Romney would lead by cutting the BS and ending the economic war we have waged on Businessmen here in America and focus on those in China.
    Neither President Obama or Huntsman have done a thing to stem that flow of dollars heading toward China.
    Speaking Chinese does not mean you know American Dollars.
     

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