Obama has to call in the sleaziest man to ever serve as President.

I thought this was going to be about saint ronnie raygun.

 

so everyone who doesn't think like you and agree with you is ignorant of what the true story is? Do me a favor: just step back a moment and try to understand how incredibly, laughably arrogant that sounds.

 

No everyone who is ignorant of the facts is ignorant of the true story. Nothing I have stated has been refuted.

Do me a favor and step back and understand how incredibly and laughably and arrogantly in denial of the facts you are.

Tell me your understanding of the Gennifer Flowers scandal, what do you think that was about?

Tell me what you think of a man, a lawyer, who knowingly entices a young naive girl into committing a felony to protect his own political arse while at the same time plotting with one of his top advisers how they will smear her if she doesn't go along.
Sleazebag?

 

You aren't aware Reagan died quite a long time ago and what is the premise your accusing him of being the sleaziest man to ever serve as President?

 

You know I'm ultra conservative, and am certain that b.o. is the worst president in history. Who other guys are dicking , how and why is not important to me. Everyone is dicking everyone all over the country, why should politicians be any different? I don't have to clean up Clinton's presidential mess because he didn't leave much of one.

Bush left a huge pile of debt and errors to fix, and b.o. has already left a mountain of incredible debt and the worst legislation ever passed.

Now Would you rather that both of them had been too busy slammin' the meat to their secretaries and pages to leave the crap piles they left. Or be cleaning up their messes for the rest of your life? b.o. must have screwed his brains out at a young age because they're obviously missing now, but I wish he was still working on screwing his brains out instead of screwing the USA out of existence.

 

Bush/Republican deficits

($157,75o)
($377,585)
($412,727)
($318,346)
($248,181)
($160,701)
Total ($1,675,29o)

Obama/Democrat Deficits

($458,553)
($1,412,68o)
($1,293,489)
($1,299,595)
($1,326,94o)
Total ($5,791,273)

Doesn't even compare. Note how the deficits were falling dramatically after coming out of the slowdown and recession that started BEFORE Bush was even elected to go to Washington.

I would prefer Obama and the Democrats do what Gingrich and Kasich did and then what Bush did in order to spur economic growth and employment and set record levels of tax revenues.

 

Barry better be careful. the convention could turn into a draft Clinton fest.



but he'd dodge that too.

 

I agree that there is no comparison between Bush deficits and obama deficits. But the insane, incredible obama deficits DON"T make the Bush deficits good. That's liberal style "thinking, Bush was bad therefore obama must be good, is crap. obama is the worst president in history and the FACTS are readily available to prove it.

But Bush's deficits were still terrible. Present insanity, doesn't make former, terrible, good. The comparison doesn't matter, Bush isn't running for office and we still HAVE to pay the enormous debts of both.

Clinton was a better president, for the country, than bush and obama squared. He might have been hell to work for if one was female. But That's their concern.

 

Deficits are going to occur during economic slowdowns and recessions........period. It's what they, Congress and Presidents do to mitigate them as best they can and then turn things around. Bush and the Republicans did a credible job of that and the results were the huge increase in revenues while restraining spending increases giving us the declining deficits in 2005, 2006 and 2007. Down to a MEASELY $161 billion. That is why we need to continue THOSE policies and turn things around by giving that confidence to the markets.

Clinton was NOT a good President. He takes credit for the things he opposed that produced the surpluses. Lower spending and lower tax rates along with welfare reform. Add in the fact he did not deal with world-wide terrorism that was attacking us nor was he successful in removing Saddam Hussein and his government, the policy HE instituted in 1998. Along with how he tore the country apart when he totally dishonored the office to which he was elected and violated his oath of office. Bush was a strong more capable President that Clinton and Obama doesn't even come close to either.

 

Conservatives make me laugh with their lack of understanding and the way they swallow anything that comes from certain media outlets....no matter what.
To think, they want to run the country again after nearly destroying it twice already!

 

But You use that and blame the Democrat but never the republican.

 

It is the importance of the story that we disagree on. From day one, Clinton was hounded by republicans who were more interested in his sex life than they were in governing. If they had left him alone instead of delving into his private life - after they had wasted millions of the taxpayer's dollars fruitlessly delving into his real estate transactions - our country would have been better served. The crap you all got your undies in a bundie over was not that big of a deal, and certainly nothing that should have captured the entire governmental process for as long as it did. You fail to understand that it was the constant HOUNDING of the president that made most non-rabid republicans like yourself feel sympathy for the man. You would have been better off if you had left him alone. It certainly cost you seats in both chambers... and set the stage for yet another "attack the president... do everything to make the president fail" sort of game plan which may very well cost you the white house yet again. You don't get it. Most Americans really do want to like their president... and when one party sets out to villify that man, many are turned off by it and turned away from the GOP message. If you'd kept to jobs and fiscal responsibility instead of presidential destruction, I think you would have been better off. But we'll see come November.

 

So if President Obama is now working with Bill Clinton, doesn't some dedicated Obama supporter / Donator need to send a big box of large cuban cigars?


I mean those thin little clove loaded cigarettes Obama smokes just won't get the job done...

 

What is important to the story in not his sexual activities, but the POTUS lied under oath to Congress. And that issue is NOT in doubt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_impeachment

Bill Clinton, 42nd President of the United States, was impeached by the House of Representatives on two charges, one of perjury and one of obstruction of justice, on December 19, 1998. Two other impeachment articles, a second perjury charge and a charge of abuse of power, failed in the House. The charges arose from the Lewinsky scandal and the Paula Jones lawsuit.

Clinton was acquitted by the Senate on February 12, 1999. With a two-thirds majority required for conviction (i.e., 67 senators), 50 senators (out of 100) voted guilty on the obstruction charge and 45 on the perjury charge. The Senate was, 17 votes short of removing Clinton from office on the former charge in the Senate.

That was the important part of the story. I did not say Clinton was an angel. But he didn't leave a legislative and debt mess that will last longer than I will live. Bush and especially obama certainly did and are.

 

I kind of agree with both of you on this one, but for different reasons, and I think you're both missing a very important issue.


First, if the Republicans had not been abusing the powers of the Senate to dig for dirt into President Clinton's sex life, he never would have been put into a position of wanting to lie, so in a sense, this is a case of entrapment.


That said, in the end, the President of the United States LIED to congress under oath. This should have resulted in his being removed from office and disbarred.


But neither of these addresses what in my mind, as the father of two grow and working daughters, is a much more important issue.


President Clinton was acting as an Employer, in his position as a chief executive of a large corporation, and he commited blatant sexual harassment and abuse as an employer against a low level subordinate employee.


I do not think that Monica was blameless in the incident, but as a Manager-CEO and as a Lawyer, he had considerably more responsibility, knowledge, resources and ability to keep things from getting out of hand.


President Clinton should have been brought up on charges for his sexual misconduct with a subordinate, even if he had NOT lied under oath.


I still find it amazing how many of the so called women's rights organizations kept supporting Clinton after this occured. It just goes to show, like so many Liberal causes, they want the issue to obtain power and money, not a solution.

 

Liberals bore me when they can't post anything of substance to the debate and have nothing but hyperbole to post.

 

So do you have anything of substance to add or not? We were due for a slowdown in 2007/2008 after the remarkable economic performance from 2003-20007 thanks in part to the policies of Bush and the Republicans. It's what the Democrats did and haven't done that is the issue now.

 

Importance of what story, the impeachment of a President? You don't think it was important? Or Obama having to call on Clinton, seems the media think it an important story.

Clinton threw is abhorrent behavior in our face.

Oh like they are leaving Romney's private life private? Spare me. Clintons actions were as a public figure, he use his public office to abuse public workers and others over which his elected office gave him power. It wasn't about his private life. Again had his marriage fallen apart and he fell in love with someone else and divorced Hillary there would have been no problem for him.

But that was not the case was it.

So your position is that if a government official abuse women, especially subordinate workers and commits a felony in a federal court and a federal grand jury it is none of our business and should have nothing to with the public trust he has been given?

Hmmmm a sitting governor to jail, the second man at the DOJ to jail and about twenty others.

We are better served when we allow corruption in government exist?

So again are you ignorant of the Gennifer Flowers scandal? Do you know what it was about?

 

I'd certainly hide the women.

 

What on earth are you talking about? The Senate? Clinton made the bed he laid in no one else. He sexually assaulted a state employee and threatened her job. He was sued over it and in the process suborned the perjury of Lewinsky and engaged in obstruction of justice. Clear indisputable evidence of this crime was presented to the special prosecutor looking into to other legal matters. THAT is how the impeachment came about. The Senate had NOTHING to do with his being in a federal court or before a federal grand jury. AND the impeachment was not about his sex life it was about his lying under oath and obstructing justice.

On that we agree, the Democrat leadership should have walked up to the White House and told him he no longer had their support and should resign else face removal, just as the Republicans did with Nixon. Instead they prostituted themselves. The funny thing is Gore would have become President and would probably have won two more terms afterwards.

Make that plural.

Any other federal supervisor who brought in subordinate employees into their office, while on the job and engaged in sexual activity would have been fired. Rewarding that employee with special favors and gifts and considerations would also be creating a hostile work environment and put the government in danger of sexual harassment lawsuits.

The purpose of this thread, I find it amazing the left and the Democrats put this sleazebag up on a pedestal and honor him.

 

The special prosecutor looking into Clinton's life was started at the behest of the Senate to check out Whitewater... the GOP was CERTAIN they could pin some nefarious scandal on him over that... ooops... never mind. Don't dismantle the special prosecutor after we figured out there was really nothing of substance TO the whitewater deal... while Ken Starr's there, let's just give him carte blanche to look into anything and everything. The "murder" of Vince Foster? Filegate? Travelgate? Nope... nothing there... let's keep spending MILLIONS of the people's dollars to find SOMETHING - ANYTHING - against this bum. America knows that is how it went down... and, your partisan hatred of him notwithstanding, the rest of America genuinely LIKES Bill Clinton. With the exception of the rabid far right, Clinton's approval ratings among Americans - and the rest of the world, for that matter - remain exceptionally high. I genuinely LIKE Bill Clinton. I have met him, talked with him... he is a genuinely pleasant, interesting and extremely charismatic guy.... AND he was a heckuva president. America prospered under his guidance and his leadership. THAT is what he is being honored at the DNC.

 

Nope, more MSM liberal lies, Clinton requested a special prosecutor.

"At Clinton's request, Attorney General Janet Reno appointed a special prosecutor Robert B. Fiske in 1994 to investigate the legality of the Whitewater transactions."

Yeah oops never mind.

Don't dismantle the special prosecutor after we figured out there was really nothing of substance TO the whitewater deal... while Ken Starr's there, let's just give him carte blanche to look into anything and everything. The "murder" of Vince Foster? Filegate? Travelgate? Nope... nothing there... let's keep spending MILLIONS of the people's dollars to find SOMETHING - ANYTHING - against this bum. America knows that is how it went down... and, your partisan hatred of him notwithstanding, the rest of America genuinely LIKES Bill Clinton. With the exception of the rabid far right, Clinton's approval ratings among Americans - and the rest of the world, for that matter - remain exceptionally high. I genuinely LIKE Bill Clinton. I have met him, talked with him... he is a genuinely pleasant, interesting and extremely charismatic guy.... AND he was a heckuva president. America prospered under his guidance and his leadership. THAT is what he is being honored at the DNC.[/QUOTE]

 

Thing is, Obama is SO bad, he makes Carter and Clinton look gooooooooooood.

 

Not on these grounds.

 

BJ BILLY to the rescue-Hillary-butch-Clinton and her muslim beard friend Huma the wife of the Kodak Wiener and Reggie Love-Obamas card playing Beard, are leading America to SODOM and GAMORAH.....Democrat ICONS from Lucifer University.