Obamacare fail! Affordable Care Act not so affordable.

That's not what I said, I said the increases over the last three years have been the smallest in the last 50 years.
The cost curve has bent. And I linked to an article by the president of Kaiser that attributed some of the decline to ObamaCare.

So if the president of Kaiser says that the cost increases have declined and you say your married to a doctor and he hasn't told you....I'm going with the president of Kaiser.

 

No I say I don't care what the President of Kaiser says. I work in the real world and my husband is on staff at many Hospitals that are worried they will no longer be able to admit patients on the "exchange" plans. Providers are worried their patients will not be able to afford crutches, wheel chairs, oxygen tanks, home health care; that they need. The Providers worry that they will no longer be able to afford to provide care to Medicare and Medicaid patients that they have treated for years. Providers are fighting to be included in the "Exchange" Insurance Plans. They worry whether or not they can stay in business as a private practitioner. Many hospitals worry they will go bankrupt.

How would you like to mandated by Federal Law that you cannot turn away a patient for non-payment of previous health care services or a Hospital that can not turn away admission of someone that has no insurance and cannot pay for the services provided them? Hospitals are not reimbursed by the State or Federal Government for their losses nor are the physicians or surgeons. Naturally none of them want to refuse treatment and even without being forced to provide the care, likely would. But, shouldn't they be reimbursed by the Government that forces them by law to provide the care, for free? Instead, Obamacare decreases their payments. Uses billions of taxpayer dollars to attempt what they deem as "overpayments to providers", payments that they initially concurred with and for services actually provided for necessary treatment. They have done nothing to correct the mismanagement of the medicare program, instead they arbitrarily deny and reduce payments for services provides needed to give their patients.

 

So your argument is that the most expensive health care in the world, isn't expensive enough.....

 

so, where is the money going to come from for this?

 

No my argument is that the "cost of providing health care" has not decreased. Only what the Federal Government, Medicare and Medicaid is willing to pay providers for providing the care. And, that amount is only decreasing the salary and income of providers, not doing anything toward the cost of those providers providing the care. As it is now, the Government is only willing to pay a surgeon to amputate a gangrene limb the same amount you people are willing to pay a plumber for fixing a leak on the weekend or an air conditioner repairman on the weekend. Sorry, but attempting to save a limb or being forced to amputate it to save a persons life should be worth more. If you don't think so, too bad. And, just why do you think many americans attend medical schools overseas? Could it be the lower costs of attending those schools and would you rather be treated by a doctor who attended school in the U.S., went through a residency program in the U.S. and passed the U.S. medical boards? Or, a doctor who is not even qualified often times to take the U.S. Medical Boards after graduating from an overseas school? Get real. Just how much is being treated by a well educated and experienced doctor/surgeon worth? The cost of going to medical school is extreme, the length of residency at low pay is 2-5 years and then starting a private practice with its many costly regulations and equipment puts them into even more debt. It takes years for them to make a profit. Get real. Could you be a doctor, responsible for a persons life or well-being? Really? It takes a special person. I know I couldn't be a doctor as I don't have what it takes mentally. I don't want that responsibility. Medical Care in the U.S. costs more because of the regulations, technological and pharmaceutical advancements, and "patients that want to pay nothing out of their own pockets and would rather have Insurance plans that cover nearly all of their costs. Doctors could charge less for routine office visits and treatment if they were paid cash by their patients as it was years ago. Insurance should cover hospital care, surgery and catastrophic treatment. Why aren't you complaining about the low payments to nursing homes and home health care providers that provide care for our elderly, medicare and Medicaid patients? Nothing in ObamaCare has been done to improve their care. You make me sick. You know nothing. I am a Moderate. I have seen what goes on and you have no clue.

 

Who cares what the President of Kaiser Medical Group has to say. He is the president of one group of providers. Big deal.

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Oh, and the thread is titled "affordable care act not so affordable", and that is a true statement.

 

Thousands of lives saved - that's the bottom line:


https://www.facebook.com/acasuccessstories

 

something other than farcebook? I mean , really? their site? for real???
If that's all you got, ya gots nothing. Anything can be posted on farcebook and usually is.
Tell me, do you quote the National Inquirer as a legitimate source as well?
We who seriously debate tend to rely upon legitimate sources for our quotes, not some juvenile POS hack source

 

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Cheap shot artist wants more proof? Here, take this:



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/05/i-am-obamacare-_n_4046470.html



Obamacare officially opened for enrollment at 8:17 a.m. this past Tuesday, despite glitches in the system and a government shutdown.

Two years ago, in October 2011, Blogger Miss M. Turner accidentally ended up starting the 'I am Obamacare' movement when she a posted a photo expressing just how much the Affordable Care Act will help her.

And in the last week, while the government has stayed firmly shut, an increasing number of people have come out to talk about the ways in which the act is changing lives.

So as we near the end of week one of the shutdown, we decided to showcase some moving stories of the positive change that is happening because America finally has access to affordable healthcare.

Miss M. Turner couldn't pay for a tumor surgery until Obamacare came along because insurance providers decided she had a pre-existing condition.
i am obamacare


Aimee lost her vision while working two jobs. Forty percent of her income went toward for an expensive insurance plan that her employer demanded she paid for.
i am obamacare


This woman's elderly mother can now afford her medication.
Photos from the field—I like Obamacare


And Jeannie Page, a healthy 37-year-old with two very common conditions, finally has healthcare.
i am obamacare


Sonia has rheumatoid arthritis and was kicked off of her parents' insurance plan at 23. Now she can afford her medication.


This woman was uninsurable as a cancer survivor, and now she has the coverage she needs.
Photos from the field—I like Obamacare


Joseph LaMountain went the last 18 months without health insurance because it would have cost him $1,500 every month out of pocket. Now he's insured for $168 per month.
i am obamacare


Erica Chain lost her health insurance when she volunteered abroad and fell into a coma. No one would insure her when she returned to the U.S. but now she has a PCIP.
i am obamacare


This woman can now get insurance despite a pre-existing condition.
Photos from the field—I like Obamacare


Eric Wolske's job didn't provide health insurance. When a motorcycle accident took his left foot in September, he was able to afford the medical bills because he could still be covered by his parents' insurance plan.
I AM OBAMACARE





Contrary to the lies and made up stories of the far right delusionals, THOUSANDS of lives have been saved thanks to Obamacare. And MANY more are to follow.


Prior to this time 45,000 Americans died every year due to the Republican created holocaust:


http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/september/harvard_study_finds_.php




Harvard study finds nearly 45,000 excess deaths annually linked to lack of health coverage
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Lack of health insurance now more lethal

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Sept. 17, 2009

Contacts:
Steffie Woolhandler, M.D., M.P.H.
David Himmelstein, M.D.
Andrew P. Wilper, M.D., M.P.H.
Mark Almberg, Physicians for a National Health Program, (312) 782-6006, mark@pnhp.org
David Lerner or Karmen Ross, Riptide Communications, (212) 260-5000

A study published online today estimates nearly 45,000 annual deaths are associated with lack of health insurance. That figure is about two and a half times higher than an estimate from the Institute of Medicine (IOM) in 2002.

The new study, “Health Insurance and Mortality in U.S. Adults,” appears in today’s online edition of the American Journal of Public Health.

The Harvard-based researchers found that uninsured, working-age Americans have a 40 percent higher risk of death than their privately insured counterparts, up from a 25 percent excess death rate found in 1993.

Lead author Dr. Andrew Wilper, who worked at Harvard Medical School when the study was done and who now teaches at the University of Washington Medical School, said, “The uninsured have a higher risk of death when compared to the privately insured, even after taking into account socioeconomics, health behaviors and baseline health. We doctors have many new ways to prevent deaths from hypertension, diabetes and heart disease — but only if patients can get into our offices and afford their medications.”

The study, which analyzed data from national surveys carried out by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), assessed death rates after taking education, income and many other factors including smoking, drinking and obesity into account. It estimated that lack of health insurance causes 44,789 excess deaths annually.

Previous estimates from the IOM and others had put that figure near 18,000. The methods used in the current study were similar to those employed by the IOM in 2002, which in turn were based on a pioneering 1993 study of health insurance and mortality.

Deaths associated with lack of health insurance now exceed those caused by many common killers such as kidney disease.

An increase in the number of uninsured and an eroding medical safety net for the disadvantaged likely explain the substantial increase in the number of deaths associated with lack of insurance. The uninsured are more likely to go without needed care.

Another factor contributing to the widening gap in the risk of death between those who have insurance and those who don’t is the improved quality of care for those who can get it.

The research, carried out at the Cambridge Health Alliance and Harvard Medical School, analyzed U.S. adults under age 65 who participated in the annual National Health and Nutrition Examination Surveys (NHANES) between 1986 and 1994. Respondents first answered detailed questions about their socioeconomic status and health and were then examined by physicians. The CDC tracked study participants to see who died by 2000.

The study found a 40 percent increased risk of death among the uninsured. As expected, death rates were also higher for males (37 percent increase), current or former smokers (102 percent and 42 percent increases), people who said that their health was fair or poor (126 percent increase), and those that examining physicians said were in fair or poor health (222 percent increase).

Dr. Steffie Woolhandler, study co-author, professor of medicine at Harvard and a primary care physician in Cambridge, Mass., noted: “Historically, every other developed nation has achieved universal health care through some form of nonprofit national health insurance. Our failure to do so means that all Americans pay higher health care costs, and 45,000 pay with their lives.”

She added: “Even the most liberal version of the House bill would have left 17 million uninsured, according to the Congressional Budget Office. The whittled down Senate bill will be worse — leaving tens of millions uninsured, and tens of thousands dying because of lack of care. Without the administrative savings only attainable through a Medicare-for-all, single-payer reform — real universal coverage will remain unaffordable. Politicians are protecting insurance industry profits by sacrificing American lives.”

Dr. David Himmelstein, study co-author and an associate professor of medicine at Harvard, remarked, “The Institute of Medicine, using older studies, estimated that one American dies every 30 minutes from lack of health insurance. Even this grim figure is an underestimate — now one dies every 12 minutes.”

“Health Insurance and Mortality in U.S. Adults,” Andrew P. Wilper, M.D., M.P.H., Steffie Woolhandler, M.D., M.P.H., Karen E. Lasser, M.D., M.P.H., Danny McCormick, M.D., M.P.H., David H. Bor, M.D., and David U. Himmelstein, M.D. American Journal of Public Health, Sept. 17, 2009 (online); print edition Vol. 99, Issue 12, December 2009.

A copy of the study, along with a state-by-state breakout of excess deaths from lack of insurance, is available at http://www.pnhp.org/excessdeaths

Physicians for a National Health Program (www.pnhp.org) is a research and educational organization of 17,000 doctors who support single-payer national health insurance. To speak with a physician/spokesperson in your area, visit www.pnhp.org/stateactions or call (312) 782-6006.




Here is the most prestigious college in the USA reporting how the Republicans created this holocaust and forum right wingers were always so proud of it. In fact these treasonous anti-America delusionals want to perpetuate that holocaust!


That's why they hate Obamacare.

 

again, you have failed to give up one name to prove your statement that thousands of lives have been miraculously saved because they have Obobocare..
What you are demonstrating is that thousands have visited the site, but not one life that has been saved by He Who Struts on Lies
Farcebook, really. You do know you are fishing from their site and spreading their bull(*)(*)(*)(*).
While you're at it, give me the name of ONE federal agency that has operated in the black since its inception.
We have been operating under lib agendas since FDR. All of these agendas and policies are the result of a lib agenda.
Nope, all of these failures are your fault. the Lib agenda, which created the welfare state has caused all of these problems....and now your hat is in the ring, so you are responsible for FDR's New Deal.

 

Obamacare doesn't go into effect until Jan 1 2014 so there is no one that can state they have benefited from it yet. How great is it for people that can now get coverage with pre-existing conditions when they have a high deductible to meet before the insurance kicks in to start paying for their health services? People do not understand it takes a lot of health care services in a given year to finally meet their deductible. Few people actually meet those yearly deductibles and that is why this is the biggest extortion scam in the history of the U.S.

 

That's right. It has not kicked in yet, so the stories are bogus. However, all the stories of insurance cancellations and premium increases are legit.

 

That's why I said, if they couldn't afford decent healthcare before Maobama's sparky wet dream before, they surely can't afford it now.
All this is a hostile corporate take over. He put 7% of the national economy directly under his control.
Can anyone here tell me what federal agency has operated in the black since their inceptions? Anyone?
Since this will operate in the red, we're still in the same boat we were in before, only now, we will be forced topay for everyone else's insurance as well......hardly a free and liberty powered nation.
What we do have, however, are those who want to be able to teat for free.
the success they tout is all the people signing up for free Medicare insurance, not payer's benefits. So, of it's so damned successful, where is the money going to come from to help power this boondoggle? You surely don't expect me to pay for your health insurance, do you? (not directed at you Lynn)

 

If you don't believe what you see in Facebook, why don't you send an email and request medical records for proof of those testimonials? Just because you don't believe the truth and want to believe lies doesn't mean they are wrong and you are correct.

After all, how can anyone be so stupid as to believe the endless lies of the Fo卐 network liars, traitors, and perverse haters? Since when have they ever reported the truth?

 

Dude, you are the one touting lies as truth, not me. You do know that using farcebook as a reliable source is an effort in futility. Surely you wouldn't rely upon that source for a legitimate research paper, would you? So why use it now.
Farcebook has the same legit standing as the National Inquirer.
So again, you have no proof, as usual. Farcebook,c'mon now................. really?
Diane Sawyer as a legit source of news......................god, you trust that dirtbag as a source? Believable?
You don't have obobocare either.................
and...............I am right and righteous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

What Republicans don't want: Florida woman cries tears of joy after getting $3.19 Obamacare policy


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/...rs-of-joy-after-getting-3-19-Obamacare-policy



JoAnn Smith, a 60-year-old Florida woman, is making headlines as the latest Obamacare success story. Smith told NBC News that she "just instantly burst into tears" when she was able yesterday to sign up for a $3.19 a month health insurance policy through Obamacare.

Smith described the low-cost of her federally-subsidized plan as "totally mind-blowing" and praised the Obamacare call center agent who assisted her sign-up as "the most loveliest of helpers."

Previously, the aging Smith had been uninsured. The company for which Smith is a medical transcriptionist does not offer coverage to its employees.

"They took a vote at the company and people wanted more money in their pockets," Smith was reported as saying. "I have had four paycuts in one year."

Smith's new, highly affordable Obamacare policy will cover her household, including her unemployed husband Eric, age 56.

Republicans who are praying for the failure of Obamacare do not want stories like the one told by JoAnn Smith to get out, but Smith's Obamacare success story bodes well for Democrats running for re-election in 2014.

Smith had been trying to sign up for health insurance for the past two months, but Obamacare's rocky rollout and website glitches had prevented her from doing so successfully.

Smith expressed continued shock that after months of difficulty, Obamacare's sign-up process is now working well enough that her application 'took seconds to complete' according to NBC. Smith now only has to confirm payment with her new insurer:

"I am kind of afraid to call them because I feel like it's a trick. I am afraid I will call and they will say 'JoAnn who?'"





Further proof that Obamacare is AFFORDABLE - 100% TRUTH that the delusional right wing America haters don't want you to know.

 

anedcdotal story......tell us, how much is her deductible? What is her do-pay after the initial deductible? How much of her bill is going to be "subsidized?"
I think this story is bogus
and her life wasn't saved..............

 

Bogus? Where's your proof??

After all, you right wing delusionals have been saying everybody would lose their coverage but you have yet to provide any evidence of your delusional claims.

 

can't prove a negative, bud. You are the one claiming that it works, yet you have failed to provide legitimate proof. Facebook....and one anecdotal story. I know you wouldn't use those as sources for a serious paper, so don't try running that in here.
Here's the facts, it is way too early to declare a victory, there hasn't been any studies about the affect of ACA, and you've bought yours, too..............

 

She obviously qualified for Medicaid before Obamacare.

The only folks praising OCare are the ones getting subsidies.. off the backs of working people. Or looney lefties who arent affected.

Everybody else hates it.

 

HHS Reveals 365,000 Have ‘Selected’ Obamacare; Still No Word On How Many Have Actually Purchased
December 12, 2013 by Ben Bullard

A two-month report released Tuesday by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services claims a combined 364,682 people had “selected” an Obamacare insurance plan through either the Federal Healthcare.gov website or through one of the State-managed exchanges, as of Nov. 30.

The report doesn’t say how many among that tiny group had actually committed to buying the insurance they’d placed in their online shopping carts.

For perspective, there are roughly 200,000 more people living in Wyoming, the Nation’s least populous State, than the almost 365,000 who took their potential Obamacare purchase at least as far as the virtual cash register. In order to actually enroll in Obamacare, as with any coverage, a customer has to enter into a contract agreement with an insurer that discloses to the customer what they’re paying and what they’re getting and that assures the insurer that the customer is committed to paying.

HHS hasn’t made those figures public yet — if it even knows them at all.

In the buildup to the Oct. 1 launch of Obamacare, HHS had projected 1.2 million people would enroll during the law’s first two months of implementation, with a total of 7 million enrolled by the March 31, 2014 closing bell for open enrollment.

In the meantime, 5 million healthcare plans (so far) have been canceled in the first Obamacare wave, as insurers drop individual policies that don’t conform to the law’s one-size-fits-all benefits scheme.

This is where your argument falls apart. How in the hell can it save thousands of lives if no one has bought it?

http://personalliberty.com/2013/12/...-no-word-on-how-many-have-actually-purchased/

 

"personal liberty digest" - credibility FAIL


Where's the proof from the government (not from a biased and lying reich wing source) that 5 million plans have been cancelled?

 

Do you really think this lying admin would admit to such a catastrophe?

ROFLMAO

my but the 'bots are getting desperate to defend Dear Leader. Too bad its not working... but it is rather entertaining.

 

liberty digest is far more reputable than face book.
Your source is a government funded web site designed to support any statement made. Especially without proof. And Maobama has lied about it from get and the website only fosters more lies.
You have no proof that any life has been miraculously just by purchasing Maobamacare. (If anyone has actually purchased t)
Question: If it is so damned good, why is Congress exempt?
Why is Obama exempt?
Why only 37 states are on board?
Why should I pay for your healthcare and mine?
There is still no proof that it works as designed. there are no real verifiable numbers as to how many people have actually been able to actually start paying. Most of the enrollees are signing up for the free Medicaid, to which no credit goes to presbo because that was done(Medicaid) by prior elected officials.
One last question: Who's going to pay for this?
http://www.hhs.gov/open/recordsandreports/prevention/fy2012_aca_rpt_to_congress.pdf
it is far far from success....it is still at a critical juncture.
So, you failed to answer my other question is why should I pay for your health insurance?

 

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