Obamacare: Trump asks Supreme Court to invalidate Affordable Care Act

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  1. ronv

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    I don't know, we never see any.
     
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    1) Almost everything creates conflict.
    2) Conflict is not necessarily a bad thing.
     
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    Some conflicts are more serious than others.

    Sometimes.

    Especially when the result is getting rid of a President like Donald Trump.
     
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    Only a moron would assume such nonsense.

    Taxes are not intended to be a slush fund for government to promote and support specific factions of the populace, mainly to buy votes. Whoever told you that lied to you.

    Taxes are intended to cover the shared expenses of society. Nothing more, nothing less.
     
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    Then open your eyes
     
  6. ronv

    ronv Well-Known Member

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    Last one I saw was his 2021 budget. It only talked about taking coverage away.
    He hasn't been the same since McCain shut him down.
     
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    If you can'[t understand the difference between health insurance and health care, then perhaps you need to do some reading.

    Not taking the responsibility of protecting one's self prior to a health condition with insurance, and the expecting to receive the insurance for the same price for those who did protect themselves prior to the need for it, let's make this basic.

    One person buys homeowners insurance before the storm hits, so the damage is covered.
    One person doesn't buy homeowners insurance before the storm hits, but expects the insurance should pay for repairs even though they happened before they were insured by paying the same premium the first person did after the fact.
     
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    It's more like you had insurance that paid for your storm damage, but then bought another house and they wouldn't sell you any because you had a claim before.
     
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    Please provide proof of a storm damage claim prevents someone from getting insurance either on the same house, or a new house.

    Personal experience negates your statement, but that is personal experience. If your statement were to hold any validity at all, then 80% of buildings in New Orleans do not have insurance, 100% of Topsail Island, NC do not have insurance, and the Jersey Shore residents don't have insurance after Hurricane Sandy.
     
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    Thanks, but that was an example of what insurers do to people with preexisting conditions.:)
    But I do think you made the point.
     
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    And if you bothered to read back, the conversation was about pre-existing conditions, and why they should pay a higher premium if not previously insured, but under the PPACA, people get to be irresponsible, and then expect other people to pay a higher premium, so they can pay the 'same' as everyone else.

    Matter of fact, you might even learn my position in regards to pre-existing conditions, if you bothered to follow the conversation.
     
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    But health care is very different from home or car ownership.
    You can estimate cost of home or car, but you can't estimate health risk.
    Many people just have desire to make other people life miserable, (they probably feel good about it)
    Discrimination based on health conditions is the most disgusting part of life in the United States.
    For some reason no one is willing to stand against that type of discrimination.
     
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    You get cancer and that is somehow irresponsible????
     
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    Not having insurance in place is the irresponsible part, and then expecting other people to pay higher premiums to offset the costs so the individual doesn't.
     
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    But insurance is only valid for one year. Next enrollment period the patient should pay double or triple price for absolutely no his/her fault.
    Of course many people (so called conservatives) feel good about that, because they think they are immune from all of the diseases.
     
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    Once again, provide support for your claim that people who have had a claim pay double or triple.

    Your last sentence pretty much sums up your position - emotion, not logic or common sense prevails in your world.
     
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    odd i’ve had insurance for decades...that’s never happened to me. Granted, most years i don’t have a major claim and i don’t use it when i have a common cold...
     
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    Ok, It seems like all talking about pre-existing conditions, personal bankruptcies due to medical bills just a fake news.
    Since you have got insurance through your employer everyone can do it. Just get a good job with nice benefits and you are all set.
    It is apparently very easy to get a job for the person who is sick, employers are eager to hire such person.
     
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    yes everyone can do it.

    if you can’t there is medicaid

    and yes we are a great nation that allows people to file for bankruptcy if they have to
     
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    We are talking about what was before Obamacare and what might happen when Obamacare is completely abolished.
     
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    What is Trump's replacement plan?
     
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    That is what I am talking about. The only reason you are against universal health care, is that you will have bad feelings when other people do not lose all their savings to cover medical bills.
     
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    So then supporting your claim should be easy, since it was so prevalent that the PPACA was required to be enacted to prevent it from happening, eh?
     
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    But if insurance is universal no one will pay higher premiums.
    Don't you understand that higher premiums are imposed by private insurance companies.
     
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    Oh for Pete's sake. Do you ever consider the financial ramifications of something, or is it strictly based on emotions for you? Rhetorical question, since the answer is obvious.
     

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