'Obamagate' Is the Newest, Dumbest Trumpian Distraction Bait

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“When asked Monday what crimes Obama had committed, Trump told reporters: “Uh, Obamagate. It’s been going on for a long time. It’s been going on from before I even got elected, and it’s a disgrace that it happened.”

“OBAMAGATE!” Trump tweeted over a particularly busy weekend online where he tweeted and retweeted a number of right-wing conspiracies. “The biggest political crime in American history, by far!” he wrote in response to one.

When asked by a reporter this week what Trump meant, he replied: “You know what the crime is. The crime is very obvious to everybody.”

Well said...very articulate...
He can’t even explain what “Obamagate” is...what a dope

 

Yeah ... Righto Ringo.
Like Obama explaining his " Fundamental Transformation of America "
huh Bub.

 

Wait...what does Obama have to do with Trump not being able to explain himself? And why do you think I give two s h i t s about Obama? Oh wait, I know....you’re one of those people who think if someone talks negatively of Trump that it automatically means the person must like Obama or any other Dem. Now I see where your confusion is. Let me be very clear...I don’t give a rats ass about ANY politician. I think they are all egotistical asshats. Hopefully that clears up any confusion you had.

 

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Trump taunted the russians, they accepted his invitation, acted on it, and Trump welcomed it.

It's not enough to hold up in a court of but, but we witnessed it happening. Plus, over 130 contacts with Russians, Gazprombank ( owned by Russia, translated 'owned by Putin' lends Deuschtebank $500 million, who in turned loans it to Trump, in short, that's Trump is beholden to Putin, which explains his servile, fawning of him.

Trump's entanglement with Russian oligarchs, Putin, Deustchebank ( fined $630 million in 2017 by NY Fed for "money laundering" ) all the while Trump said " no russian dealings".

All lies, and this man is totally corrupt, self dealing, sweet heart deals for his kids, Jared, etc

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the MR report was not a 'hoax'. To wit:




And during the campaign, Trump said he 'had nothing to do with Russia', these documents prove otherwise, he was communicating back and forth, we have a signed letter of intent, about building a tower in Russia, drawings, plans, the works, were being looked at
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5719169-Trump-Moscow.html

Aiding and abetting Russian oligarchs in money laundering schemes
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...ney-how-trump-made-millions-selling-condos-to

Trump family evaded taxes cheating the US treasury out of hundreds of millions
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html

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1. Well within the mandate by Rosenstein to Mueller.
2. Sounds like a right wing wishful thinking.

 

I've seen a lot of frothing-at-the-mouth jackals by the right, but no evidence.

Evidence, please.

 

It was obvious as hell, how could you miss? Trump acted like an obsequious waiter towards Putin, every time the two are together. It's nauseating.

"but I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today." --Trump ( believing Putin over his intel staff. so, Mr Trump, next time a guy murders someone and is on death row, if his denial is "strong and powerful", you'll pardon him? jeezus **** this is servility taken to hitheto unseen and unheard of heights ).

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/16/politics/21-lines-donald-trump-vladimir-putin-summit/index.html

Trump's presidency is rife with red flags, acts that belie the fact that he's a threat to national security, and now, due to his incompetence, people are dying faster than they would have had we had a more competent president.

You want to label my opinion as 'partisan'? Well, fine, I can't help it if truth has a liberal bias, it just does.

 

this thread is typical of a trump conspiracy theory

2 days ago the thread was started and now it is OLD news

obuma gate was created to get by another day of trump screw ups

Thursday it was obamagate
Friday it was horns blowing while trump is announcing operation time warp
what will it be today??

 

1) Who cares about Rosensetein's mandate ? This is a question of the Rule of Law and Principles of Justice - which were violated.

2) Why is it that when you come across information that conflicts with your partisan perspective - you go into denial mode and engage in ad hom fallacy ?

 

In fact it was a week before the election. The Friday before the election he gave her another coat of white wash. Almost, I might add, entirely because Trump had been gaining ground since the wiki leaks releases in October. Suffice it to say with friends like the ever ham handed Comey you don't need enemies.

 

1. Rosenstein was acting AG appointed by Trump, at the time. As for 'rules of law' comment, that's your opinion. The mandate hasn't been adjudicated one way or the other as to whether or not the mandate was a violation of the rule of law. Until then, it stands.
2. that's an opinion that can be levied at you, as well, or anyone voicing and opinion. In short, a meaningless statement.

 

The mandate has been adjudicated - by various legal experts - throughout History. Nice try at an "appeal to Authority" fallacy though. I don't think you have thought about the issue well enough - which is why you committed this fallacy.
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Implicit in the creation of a special council is a violation of the Rule of Law and the Principles of Justice - that's what makes it special.
That is the purpose of the creation of such a council .. so what is there to adjudicate ?

It is not an opinion - it is a statement of fact that you engaged in a fallacious argument. If I have engaged in fallacy - then do feel free to point it out - as I have done - rather than make veiled accusations.

"2. Sounds like a right wing wishful thinking."

What is the above gibberish - if other than blatant ad hom fallacy ? Any fool can sit in the peanut gallery and cry out "Sounds like right wing wing wishful thinking" to any comment.

 

'Obamagate' Is the Newest, Dumbest Trumpian Distraction Bait

So there was a cabal in the Obama administration that went after General Flynn and Obama knew nothing about it? Talk about illogical and impossible to believe.

 

so what if Obama knew about it??

ANYTHING Obama did while in office is just fine

if he is held to trumps standards

while Obama was president he had the same power trump now claims to have

 

Then he should have stopped it. Using the government as a personal tool to attack a political opponent is not good for the legacy.

Obviously he had the power. Otherwise it wouldn't have happened.

 

so what will the Ukraine deal to for trumps legacy??

even without witnesses,

it was proven trump used the government as a personal tool to attack his opponent

 

Obviously I think that won't help Trump's legacy. That should be obvious.

 

Ahh. I see you have a problem with reality.

Here are some facts.

The DNC paid for the Steele Dossier
The DNC was under Clinton's contril3
The DNC gave the Steele Dossier to the Obama FBI.
The FBI knew the Steele Dossier was full of fabrications.( they knew it was fake)

The Obama FBI used that fake information to obtain FISA warrants. ( they lied to get warrants)

All this boils down to:
Obama lied on behalf of Clinton to the FISA courts in order to damage the Trump Campaign and get Hillary elected, and when that failed the Obama FBI continued to pursue Trump for anything they could get to discredit his presidency..

That is the reality we live in. Those are indisputable historical facts. That's what happened...

The worst political crimes in American history.

The people involved should hang for this, yes literally, no that's not an overreaction.

 

I hope Biden wins the election but Republicans take the house and Senate.. lets drag every Democrat through every mud pile we can find..

 

That is fine. It will continue gridlock. I prefer to have the houses of congress have opposing minorities. That saves a lot of time.

 

let me guess what channel of news you watch..

the only people that believe it is FOX news viewers ..

the only people tat knew trump could win was the Russians

nobody cared or tried to discredit trumps presidency because nobody thought he would win,

again except the russians

and since moving into the Whitehouse trump has need no help discrediting his presidency

he has did a fine job looking like a stupid moron without any help

 

These are facts not opinions:

The DNC paid for the Steele Dossier
The DNC was under Clinton's contril3
The DNC gave the Steele Dossier to the Obama FBI.
The FBI knew the Steele Dossier was full of fabrications.( they knew it was fake)

The Obama FBI used that fake information to obtain FISA warrants. ( they lied to get warrants)

Do you refute any of those facts or do you just pretend they don’t exist?

Second question if trump did any ONE of these to Biden would you say it’s not a big deal?

 

"adjudicated" in the context given, means overuled or confirmed by a judge. No, it has not been adjudicated, and until it has been overruled, it stands. Other than that, all that remains are opinions.

As for "appeal to authority", your "adudicated by legal experts throughout history " is an appeal to authority. If you are going to criticize someone for something, don't turn around and do exactly that something yourself. Morever, you didn't name one legal expert or provide one citation.
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Implicit? You'll need to support that with some legal precedent beyond your own opinion to make such a declaration.
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What was a veiled accusation?

You asserted that the appointment of Special Counsel was a 'violation of the rule of law" I've seen no legal adjudication by a court that agrees with that premise, and until you can give me a citation, all you have done is rendered an opinion. In short, "wishful thinking".

Well, conversely, any fool can sit in the peanut gallery and make vacuous declarations without substantive evidence for those declarations. You mentioned "legal experts throughout history". Okay, name a few and give the citations.

"Wishful thinking" is not an ad homimen, it's 'ad argumentum'. it's an evaluation. You wish it were true that the appointment of Special Counsel were a violation of rule of law.
The reason it is wishful thinking evaluation is that you have yet to provide a legal precedent, ruling, adjudication of some kind form a court, which supports that premise. The reason a court adjudication is required is that you have, by asserting it's a violation of the rule of law, subjected it to the purview/jurisdiction of a court of a law. Well, those who rule on the law are the persons who would be the determining body, or the highest authority to back up your opinion.

And, by the way, making that statement is not 'an appeal to authority" in terms of a logical fallacy no more than to say if you drive 100 per hour in a 65 mph zone, an officer will cite you. That's not what the 'appeal to authority' logical fallacy means. If you are going to toss around such terms in an effort to make your argument sound more credible, at the very minimum, you should educate yourself on their meaning.

Until then, it's wishful thinking. As for 'right wing', I made that assumption that people on the right would believe that SC was a violation of the rule of law. But, whether or not people the right accept your premise in general is not the salient point. The salient point is that you have not backed up your opinion with anything but your opinion and hinted at vague 'legal experts'.

IN short, back up your claims. Perhaps you do have a citation from a court that agrees with your premise. If so, cough it up. Until then, the above stands. At the minimum, you could have named some "legal experts' that confirm your premise. But, caution, in the arena of legal opinions, experts often disagree with each other. So, if you do manage to find one that supports your premise, I'll probably find one that disagrees, then we're back to square one, and that's why I'm asking for a legal citation, which has more finality, legal consequence.

 

Reality denier.