OK....your DEAD....now what?

Your point is well taken, but here's the history behind the phase "Near Death Experience (NDE)." The term was coined in 1975, by Dr. Raymond Moody, and used in his landmark book Life After Life. Moody was the first medical doctor to study memories of people who had died for a short period and been resuscitated. Moody was careful to give evidence as he found it but leave it up to the reader to form an opinion from that evidence. Moody didn't actually take a stance on the evidence except to emphasize it was as unbiased and accurate as he could make it. Moody didn't claim these people had actually died. In fact he discussed his reluctance to make that claim in detail. So, when he came to naming the experience, he backed away from making any solid claims about actual death, and called them NEAR-DEATH Experiences. Moody was in a professionally awkward position. Being the first to openly study this phenomenon, he was risking his medical and professional career. Calling it Near-Death instead of actual death experience left open a door for retreat if that became necessary. But also, Moody wasn't completely convinced in 1975 that actual death had occurred. Follow up studies done in the 1980's, mounted in several cases by medical doctors bent on disproving Moody's work actually ended up validating Moody's evidence. By the time these new studies came out, Moody's term Near-Death Experience (NDE) had become part of the public lexicon. The more accurate term, "Short-Term Death Experience," just never caught on.

To answer your question directly. . .Yes, most NDEs are actually Short Term Death Experiences. Yes, the patients actually physically die and their spiritual souls leave their physical bodies and return to another dimension of reality and experience a variety of events there before being resuscitated. And YES, emphatically; they ARE real DEATH experiences.

 

Shifting topics? Nothing to say about all her vital signs?

 

Does his book include his medical records? How long was he "brain dead"?

 

You have seen the medical records - right?

 

Nice fantasy, but you are forgetting about (i) the embryology part and (ii) how living organisms reach adulthood, acquire memories and develop competence.

 

LOL!!
Honestly did you REALLY post that to me??
LOL!!!

And first of detail how you KNOW a Heaven exists and why we would have bodies??

Because you read it in some book?

LOL!!

CAA

 

hey man, haven't seen you posting in a while. Hope everything is cool and groovy with you.

 

I pity you.

 

I can see you are having difficulty attaining an open mind. Why don't you examine the evidence for yourself. Read the book(s).

 

So, you have not seen copies of the medical records. You even stated:

Try to apply some critical thinking... it's his analysis. Other people's analysis sow him to be a con man.

 

Closed minds aren't open to evidence and don't care about "truth." Eben Alexander is no con man. I read both his books and was deeply impressed by his clear, concise thinking and analysis. Too bad you're so resistant to exploring that evidence for yourself. Your loss.

 

If you're lucky, you'd just have had a shutting down coma that feels like an eternity of paradise with your loved ones...
A damaged brain can distort time.
Think what a dying one can do with time?

 

Or perhaps the brain is the organ for the mind and our energy in our bodies and these energies can leave the body?

 

I've always wondered about this. What if you had an old feeble body and had a lot of deteriorating joints and things that old people might suffer from? What kind of "body" do they give you in Heaven? Lol.

 

I don't know about anyone else, but the more I think about the concept of "Heaven", the less sense it makes to me.

 

Lol!

 

Well, ask yourself, if your eyes detect light that is refracted from the world we see, and our atmosphere enables sound to travel so we can hear and your nerves allow us to feel... If we take all that away, are we not still here in a world we can not see, hear or feel. The world would still be there, but if I walked into the wall without nerves, sight or hearing, would I know about it?

 

Yes, I've heard that scientists believe that near death experiences are hallucinations. I just cannot help but to think about things logically (when I'm being logical about them - lol), and the concept of Heaven is a tough one for any logic.

 

No you would not feel it, in the same way a paralyzed person has to be careful of injury because they can't feel the injury. Point being?

 

We know we exist from wondering if we exist, that's how to prove existence given the ability to question it.
Reality is based on perception and fact.

 

That maybe all that fungal life on rocks and trees and moss too, whatever, where ever, just walked into a tree or a rock...

J/K, IDK, but whoever said I knew was lying to you. IDK

 

Okay, but I wasn't questioning if we exist or not. I am questioning whether there is an actual heaven or not. I am highly skeptical of the existence of a heaven.

 

What time IS it over there in Brit land anyways?

 

Well, think of the brain as the organ for the mind or the soul.
We know we exist, we know we dream, we have comas, we have psychotic episodes.
We work with what our eyes see, our ears hear, and our fingers touch, tongue feels, taste buds taste etc..
We are then, the mind?
Is the mind in my toe?
No, cut off my toe, I'd know about it given I'm of sound mind.
Cut off my butt, same thing.
It seems my mind is this voice in my head... My head, where my brain is.

A brain is an organic sponge sitting in hormones it reacts with.
It also processes everything and has the ability to lie to me I believe under certain conditions.

 

I'm late for class o'clock.
14:15