OK....your DEAD....now what?

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  1. ChrisL

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    Mind blown. :laughing:

    I agree with all of that. The brain is definitely capable of playing tricks on us, especially if we are sick or under duress.
     
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    Welcome to the Jungle, Baby :smoking:
     
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    It seems your mind is closed to expecting evidence to be presented to verify extraordinary claims. He doesn't have to sell any one a Brooklyn Bridge. He just sells books to 1000's of gullible people.
     
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    Everyone sees you as they want to remember you. You see everyone as you want to remember them. You will look differently to your parents, your kids or your spouses.

    I wonder what happens when you look in a mirror. Do you just see the "best" version of yourself? Maybe you just see a self-idolized version. Kinda like an avatar you create for yourself in an online game.
     
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    Yeah. Eternity is a very long time. I'd bet abject boredom would set in after just a few trillion years or so. Then what? More trillions of trillions of years of more abject boredom? Can someone in heaven commit suicide just to end it all? ;)
     
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    Lol! I hear that! Maybe Hell would be more interesting? :laughing:
     
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    Well, I don't really believe in heaven or hell, TBH. I just can't seem to believe in that kind of stuff. It would be nice to be able to believe in a Heaven or a life after death, but I honestly have to say that it is just too far fetched for me to ever buy it.
     
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    It's NOT physical!
     
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    The concept of "Heaven" is simplistic and childish compared to the highly complex reality.
     
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    Every new idea has its doubters and detractors. That doesn't diminish the verity of his work. Anyway, E. Alexander was a neurosurgeon. Who would be better to make such an evaluation regarding effects of a coma on the human brain? Are his detractors better educated or informed to make that evaluation? Why do the detractors opinions count more than the doctor who actually experienced it? It appears someone here is seeking agreement with their skepticism rather than answers that reveal truths.
     
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    For most of my life I was a skeptic like you. When my father died, as I gazed upon his dead, ashen body, I found myself wondering whether any part of him or his consciousness might still exist in some form somewhere. At the time I didn't believe so, but for some reason I decided then and there to do research to see if any dependable evidence did actually exist. I made a personal, internal commitment to follow the evidence wherever it led, regardless of my personal beliefs. What I found was far from what I expected to find, and I had to gradually disconnect from my former preconceptions and accept the evidence. It was a long and arduous process, but I assure you, evidence abounds for life after life. I have no problem with skeptics since I was a long-time hard-nosed member of that group for decades. But if one values truth above opinion, the path toward enlightenment is truly an adventure. I hope you choose to experience it.
     
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    And you know any of these things how again? Lol. You are just speculating like anyone else. This is one of the things that is so annoying about religious people, their sheer arrogance and their tendency to get butthurt so easily.
     
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    Lol! Funny! How many times have you been there anyways? :laughing:
     
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    I read the book "Heaven is for Real" and saw the movie.

    I thought that three year old Colton Burpo was a highly credible witness.

    What he relates fitted with other near death experiences. Even the fact that he met with animals during his NDE fitted with the Dr. Ken Ring research that stated that about one NDE in six included a meeting with a previous deceased pet.
     
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    My pursuit of near death experiences got me kicked out of two churches that had a dogmatic "soul sleep" teaching.

    I had two decades invested in those churches........ I had a lot of friends there...... but getting excommunicated was certainly worth it because within a decade I know that I know that I was closer to the truth of what happens after death than when I began.
     
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    If you start thinking in terms of a nearly infinite number of heavens..........
    the whole idea may begin to make more sense.

    After death we end up with the people and angels and aliens and deceased pets who are vibrating at a similar level to where we are at.

    That is why some people have a negative near death experience..........
    they ended up with a bunch of people who thought and acted pretty much like they had while alive.

    That is why an Atheist or Agnostic or Pagan can have a very positive near death experience and a deeply religious person can have a negative NDE where they meet people just as angry and critical and proud as they are.

    http://allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/
     
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    Makes absolutely no sense at all.
     
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    I don't believe in supernatural mumbo jumbo. That is all there is to it.
     
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    From what I have read.....before you were born....... you met personally with the most Ancient Intelligence in the Universe / Multiverse.

    You volunteered to incarnate down here as many times as the time, between your birth and death is replicated in a new time line.

    You knew that the most Ancient Intelligence loved you so much that duplicates were being made of you, each of whom had freedom of choice and would spin off in a somewhat different direction as they made different choices.

    On one level...... your over soul is on a mission to save G-d......
    because G-d......is in a sense...... in more trouble than anybody else because G-d the Father and G-d the Mother are more emotionally involved in the creation than any of the rest of us are..... due to having put more time and effort into all this.

    On another level... you are on a mission to save family and friends who may have fallen to a lower level of consciousness / vibration.


    Pre-Existence and the Near-Death Experience
    http://www.near-death.com/science/research/pre-existence.html
     
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    You knew before you were born that you would probably be in this mind set before you were born. It is part of the plan that your over - soul.... has for you........ as a fractal of your over-soul.
     
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    When Dr. Raymond Moody did the opening research on NDEs and published his results in Life After Life (1975), he felt the strength of the evidence lay in the fact that of the 200 or so cases he studied in detail, 1) none of the subjects knew of anyone else's experience; and 2) Moody identified 10 areas of consistent similarity and redundancy across the entire study group. The fact that so many different individuals experienced such similar events, seemed strong evidence to Moody that something real underlay their separate claims. When you say "there is no evidence whatsoever," it calls to question, what do you regard as acceptable evidence?
     
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    I've read several of your posts with interest. I both respect and relate personally to your skepticism on life after life, for I shared it for several decades. I was just as comfortable with my disbelief as you seem to be with yours. I consider myself to be highly rational, logical and highly scientific minded. Many of my life-long personal interests are scientific in nature, and I have a deep rooted respect for both scientists and the scientific method. I am not religious, and when I felt as you do now, I was incapable of distinguishing between things religious and things spiritual, for the religious seemed to override or dominate any such discussion. Over the years, I've learned that anything religious is deeply rooted in Earthly Earthbound thinking, while things that are spiritual emanate from a place within or different from the physical world we're all so familiar with. When my father died I didn't believe in an afterlife, but his corpse somehow motivated me to do personal research on the topic of an afterlife to see if there actually was verifiable evidence to support the idea of life after physical death. I didn't believe so, but I decided to give it a go; but in so doing, made a personal commitment to making truth my goal, even if it conflicted with my private opinions. What I discovered in my research was not at all what I expected to find when I began that journey, and it transformed my whole world view into something far more positive and satisfying. Like you, I have no interest in woo woo, or religious dogmatism, etc. I want to see a scientific basis for that evidence, and it's there for anyone willing to take an open-minded look. Perhaps we can discuss this more?
     
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    My comment was sarcasm.
     
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    So, you have not seen copies of the medical records.

    Try to apply some critical thinking... it's his analysis. Other people's analysis show him to be a con man.
     
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    There were those who actually witnessed Christ performing miracles, including raising the dead, yet they still rejected Him. Unfortunately, these people are still with us today. They will never believe because they love their sin, and Gods word convicts them of their sin. This is why they hate Christ. Because He shows them, in no uncertain terms, how depraved and hopeless they are.
     

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