'Only God can save us': Yemen blockade may cause world's largest famine in decades

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  1. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You have been provided with evidence that they are but you are choosing to ignore it.


    try this video from 2012 to get an introduction on how things were moving..




    Here is a longer one It was filmed around the time the people of Yemen were offered an election to elect Hadi or noone



    There is masses of information on the net concerning this if you had a genuine interest in looking into it and were not determined to say black is white.
     
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    I still can't get those videos to load and play..

    There's a problem with Scahill's credibility if he claims the US used cluster bombs. Doesn't that raise red flags for you?
     
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    The US maintains that cluster munitions have military utility, but with the exception of a single 2009 strike in Yemen, has not used them since 2003 in Iraq.

    There has been no evidence to indicate that the US is using cluster munitions in its military operation against forces of the Islamic State (IS) in Syria and Iraq. A 2008 Department of Defense policy requires that the US not use cluster munitions that result in more than 1% unexploded ordnance (UXO) after 2018.


    http://www.the-monitor.org/en-gb/reports/2016/united-states/cluster-munition-ban-policy.aspx

    I can see why there is confusion about this matter.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It will have been caused by going and examining them. He says he did that. Obviously not to Saudi trolls but he is very respected and he knows Yemen very well. Has spent a great deal of time there and I bet got his hands a good bit more dirty than your old school friend.It was only a week or two ago I heard of the US selling cluster bombs and I think it was to the Sauds for use in Yemen.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The one I remember reading was last week.

    Here is one from 2016

    cont'd https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...104954928d2_story.html?utm_term=.1b57df28305a

    Neither Saudi Arabia nor the US has made Cluster Bombs illegal.[/quote]
     
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    What a shame and if you reap what you sew we are in serious trouble!!!
    So sad what these people have dealt with thanks to invaders like ' APOSTATE FAKE 'jesuits,islam and jews.
     
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    When a country descends into civil war you can expect food distribution to be interrupted and prices to go up. You think that the Houthis and AQ don't know that?

    Yemen has been in one divisive conflict after another since 1960.. Overthrowing the government, attacking the US Embassy and bombing a girl's school have consequences. Training and arming suicide bombers to kill Americans and Saudis has consequences.

    Do you think Yemen's terrorists care if innocent people starve? Why do you think the Houthis are stopping food trucks and diverting them?
     
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    What is his solution?
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I did not give you the videos to find his solution. I gave you then as you have no knowledge on the situation re the bombing and droning of Yemen and the affect it had on people including the rise of Al Qaeda. You appeared to be asking for a link by saying you could not get it although I was well aware that all you would do is make some snide comment about them being of no use which you did.
     
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    I know the US drones got Ansar al Awaki because he
    I know we used drones to get Ansar al Alwaki because he was recruiting, training and arming suicide bombers. I know that Scahill thinks the US was wrong to do that.

    I also know he lives in Brooklyn, NY.
     
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    So your claim there is plenty of food is false. Thanks for playing.
    The blockade of Saudi Arabia backed up by the US is true.
    They are to blame for this massive starvation.
     
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    What is eating you? Why are you so determined to blame the US and Saudi Arabia? I have been following events in Yemen since 1960.. Its a very complicated mess.. and has been since the Communists fought the Monarchists. The problem is not a shortage of food.. its a failure of distribution in conflict areas and higher prices which is to be EXPECTED during a three way civil war.
     
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    Because they put up a blockade in place that is about to cause a genocide.
     
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    Do you think the rebels care about starving innocent people? When KSA announced that they would lift the blockade the Houthis announced they would "escalate" the conflict. Are you an American?
     
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    So what. Doesn't put a dent in the "they put up a blockade in place that is about to cause a genocide."
    And you make it sound like... we got this excuse to go and kill millions of civilians.
    But there simply is not.
     
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    I missed this one. OMG what a blatant lie. Saleh had ha;f the army on his side. He sided with the Houthi because they were his best hope of regaining power. During their attempt at getting 'the arab spring' a good deal of the army had moved to the Houthi disgusted at Saleh's killing. They already had a fair bit of the army on their side and the Houthi were what was representing the people. Saleh then teamed up with them.
     
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    Yes, the people of Yemen were trying to free themselves. They wanted an arab spring. There were protest by people in the North and the South. They all wanted the Arab Spring. Saleh had already been allowing the US to terrify the people by bombing and droning at will also used this method to get rid of his opponents. He also had done nothing to sort out the economy.The GCC came in to try and make sure there was not democracy. I take it that was what their real position was as that was what they did everywhere else. They decided Saleh could not stay or there would be an uprising. Eventually they disposed him and put his deputy in his place trying to give this the appearance of democracy by telling people they would be getting an election for president at which there would be only one Candidate his deputy Hadi. Once disposed, Saleh made an alliance with the Houthi even though for years he had unsuccessfully been trying to get the US to destroy them making up lies about atrocities which they had not committed and trying unsuccessfully to get the US to believe that they were a proxy for Iran. All this came out in wiki tapes.

    war with whom. You are saying that the GCC would have declared war on the people of Yemen in 2012 if they had not agreed to elect Saleh's deputy Hadi?
     
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    What is the matter with you being so dishonest, You know perfectly well that what has got the UN and everyone else announcing that it is feared that in the next 4 weeks alone 150,000 children will die and that there is imminent threat of 7 million people dying of famine is because of the deliberate withholding of food to the people. You know that so you are basically trying to promote this by pretending they have plenty of food. Cities are out of drinkable water while there is a cholera outbreak. The Saudis are refusing to allow in what is needed to sanitise water or cholera tablets which could stop the outbreak, This is an attempt at mass genocide. YOU expect that in any civil war there should be a genocide by one group if they get the chance. By being dishonest about the situation you are promoting genocide. For everything bad I hav e seen on forums this is the first time I have seen someone doing that. Notme clearly does not like genocide. You find the idea that someone is upset about genocide puzzling. My god what sort of people do you live around.

    Why are people blaming the US and Saudi Arabia for this? Because the Saudia Arabia Alliance is what is doing it and the US along with other countries in particular the UK are providing them with the weapons and intelligence to do it.

    You use every trick under the sun to promote it.

    You claim it is justified because of Al Qaeda mentioning your Underwear bomber and Anwar Al awlaki failing to acknowledge that Al Qaeda in Yemen is fighting on the same side as the Sauds not the people who are being starved.

    You claim the blockade has been lifted when when the Sauds right from the beginning said except in areas where it actually was until there was proof that it would be impossible to get weapons in after having claimed that the Houthi had fired a missile at them provided by Iran.

    You ignore the post where I put in a link which says that the UN has received NO EVIDENCE THAT THIS WAS AN IRANIAN MISSILE and further that they suggest that the Saudi claim of this was just an intended justification for their blockade against the people of North Yemen

    Confidential U.N. Document Questions the Saudi Arabian Blockade That’s Starving Yemen


    You try to give justification for the genocide because of the civil war and your belief that Hadi whom the people were forced to accept as leader but only for two years when there were to be elections was the legal ruler. The two years had passed. There had been no elections and further Hadi himself now sees the Saudi and friends attack on his country as an invasion and not legal. Something which you also avoided when I put in details of this.


    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fe...e-aims-yemen-war-shifted-171108080509650.html


    This is a Saudi led illegal invasion supported by the United States.

    and contrary to your beliefs Margot there is no justification for genocide.


    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/when-food-is-used-as-a-weapon/
     
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    If the US and /or Saudi Arabia could control what was happening in Yemen, there would be no war, starving children or cholera..
     
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    That would be my second guess, same mentality.

    If the Arabs decide one day to unite to one hoard and charge Israel...well....that's what Naplam is for.
     
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    BS, they would claw eatch other even without guns, ISIS took over with a few trucks and AK's not with western guns, the disputes exsist because of ppl with free will not because an American Jew told them to hate each other.
     
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    It was the path the other poster laid, US sells arms to Saud so its responsible to Saud war in Yemen, so same works with Russia and Iran. you need to a Liberal to grasp it.
     
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    Again ignoring everything said and just coming on with more lame excuses to support a genocide. Basically you have given the Saud's position which is that everyone has to surrender unconditionally to them or they will die. That is what has been put to them. Nothing else. That you support.


    A cholera epidemic and yet the sauds by their blockade have created this situation.


    Three Yemen cities run out of clean water due to lack of fuel for pumps: ICRC

    There is no excuse for this. The Sauds can stop the starvation and the deaths from cholera. All it needs to do is stop its blockade as it has been asked to by all the aid workers and the UN and just about anyone else, We are talking about stopping a genocide.

    The US organised for Yemen to get a crane or something needed in connection with water and the Saud's destroyed it so do not try and put the US as bad as the Sauds in this. Do not try and give your position legitimacy by pretending the Sauds and US are working on this together and have the same goals.

    No, the US and UK are supplying the Sauds with weapons and intelligence. Trump stupidly decided to make them his friends. That should be stopped and it is up to the people of the US and UK to make sure it is.

    Even Trump is now having second thoughts. about the Sauds somewhat late.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...spite-shared-concern-about-iran-idUSKBN1DB0TY

    The US is certainly at least thinking about it's contribution to this genocide now. By a massive majority in the hundreds to 30 they have agreed what they are involved in in Yemen is illegal. They have to arrange for a vote in Congress. That has not yet happened possibly because the US public is being fed a load of tosh to try and get them not to demand this.


    Hiding US Role in Yemen Slaughter So Bombing Can Be Sold as ‘Self-Defense’

    Saudi Arabia and its allies particularly the UAE are the people who are deliberately causing the genocide in Yemen, not the US as you are trying to suggest. The US and the UK would do well to stop providing Saudi Arabia with weapons and intelligence. The US cannot legally be involved in this war. As has been shown in my previous post the Sauds are also illegally in this war so if they were not invading Yemen and creating a siege in the full knowledge that this is causing death by cholera and famine then that would not be happening. Your suggestion that they cannot prevent that is a pathetic excuse to support genocide. They are causing it by their invasion and blockade.











     
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    Saudi aid to Yemen in two years stands at $8.2 billion - Al Arabiya ...

    english.alarabiya.net/en/.../Saudi-aid-to-Yemen-in-two-years-stands-at-8-2-billion.htm...
    May 7, 2017 - The Saudi foreign ministry published an infographics that shows the size of aid which theSaudi kingdom has provided to Yemen since April 2015 until April 2017. Saudi Arabia has provided $8.2 billion during this phase. ... Saudi Arabia donates $150 million at Yemen aid conference.
     
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    No it doesn't. I have been reading how they keep saying it is delivering ai dbut does not deliver. Exactly how does someone deliver aid when one has a seige/blockade. The Sauds do not deliver their aid.

    Here is 2015
    https://www.npr.org/2015/09/08/4386...er-saudi-arabia-fails-to-deliver-aid-to-yemen

    another from 2015
    Exclusive: Saudi Arabia Is Thwarting the Distribution of Emergency UN Aid in Yemen


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/25/yemen-humanitarian-appeal-un-antonio-guterres

    People are starving to death and dying of cholera. They do not have clean water. They are unable to get their water sanitised or to get treatment for cholera or food to eat due to the blockades. That is the problem. That is what is leading to mass famine, to genocide.

    Here is the current situation put quite simply

    Saudi Arabia Won't Let Aid Enter Yemen. That Could Cause 'Catastrophic' Famine

    Was listening to someone today. He was an American, Head of something. He was saying how when he spoke to the Sauds they always said all the right things but never did them. Not necessarily a good place to trust information from.
     
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