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  1. redeemer216

    redeemer216 Well-Known Member

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    I don't know what you mean. The enlightenment is obviously based on the quotes of Jesus, and Socrates.
     
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    Richard The Last Well-Known Member

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    I'm sorry, maybe you and I are talking about different things here. I am simply referring back to @william kurps posts about how the Constitution of the United States is based on the bible and what would indicate the US is a Christian nation.
     
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    It is a secular nation, even by gods or Jesus's standards. Religion is secondary. But that doesn't mean we can completely take history out of it. Our entire foundation is based on the enlightenment, which, by what I've already stated is based on Socrates and Jesus. And sure, in a way the bible had it's place. It isn't based on it, though. We are a rebel nation, and i'm proud of it.
     
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    redeemer216 Well-Known Member

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    The is an example of taking something out of context. Pretty sure the above actually completely agrees with you.
     
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    That's what I'm talking about.
    I am not, by any means, trying to take history out of the equation. Neither am I trying to rewrite it. While I would agree that the Enlightenment and possibly Socrates and/or Jesus may have had some influence on the founding of the U.S. I would disagree that "our entire foundation is based on" these. And I would also disagree that the Constitution is based on the Bible.
     
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    Sure, but the founding fathers definitely took from it. We should be able to move on.
     
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    We should. And I agree that the Founding Fathers may have borrowed from many sources . Why wouldn't they have?

    What I take issue with is the poster @william kurps making statements like:
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    and then not being able to provide those facts and a source for them.
     
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    william kurps Well-Known Member

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    Show us where the Constitution is not based on the bible?
     
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    Anyone who makes allegations and then FAILS to provide substantiation when requested ends up destroying their own credibility.
     
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    william kurps Well-Known Member

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    Why are you having a hissy fit of course America is a Christian nation the Constitution is based on the bible, its obvious
     
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    Onus is ALWAYS on the person who makes the allegation to SUBSTANTIATE it when requested to do so.

    Failure to substantiate damages the credibility of the person who makes the allegations.
     
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    william kurps Well-Known Member

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    So it's a wonderful life didnt give you a clue?
     
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    Word salad
     
  14. redeemer216

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    I agree with you for the most part, just don't know what your goal is.
     
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    Richard The Last Well-Known Member

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    So just turn the tables?

    I believe you were the one who broached this specific comparison of Constitution and Bible:
    So I repeat my question from post #479:
    If you would be so kind as to explain how you see the Constitution being based on the Bible then I will be happy to "Show us where the Constitution is not".
     
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    I am so sure the Quaran was sitting at there night stand as they went to sleep..


    Check into any hotel in America today the only books are the Christian bible.
     
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    While I agree with you in a way, it's also based on old Greek traditions. Not Christian.
     
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    william kurps Well-Known Member

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    Gotcha, check in any hotel today, only one book the bible, why is that?
     
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    william kurps Well-Known Member

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    So Greeks founded America?
     
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    In a way, sure. Mostly the founders who had an understanding of Jesus's teachings about the seperation of the wealthy and the state. The point is, you can't discount everything.
     
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    Richard The Last Well-Known Member

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    You seem to have a talent for being rude.

    If you would like to discuss the facts rather than simply state that they exist please let me know.
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    I didn't mean Lesbians. Is that what you mean by some people do it because it is "popular?"
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    OK, the USA is largely a Christian nation, So?
     
  24. william kurps

    william kurps Well-Known Member

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    About time you acknowledge it, brownie point for the obvious and every legal is welcome (that's where ard are difference lie)
     
  25. Richard The Last

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    Can I ask what you mean by "a Christian nation"?
     

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