OVAL OFFICE FIGHT: President Trump, Chuck Schumer And Nancy Pelosi ARGUE Over Border Wall Funding

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  1. dairyair

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    What ironclad examples? All you gave was an opinion. Which didn't come off as informed. But made up.
    You voted for and support tRUMP, yes?
     
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    Obámanos! President Barack Obama's Legacy, Through a Latino Lens


    By Suzanne Gamboa

    WASHINGTON, D.C. — Werner Oyanadel was at his office in Connecticut when a fresh President Barack Obama made a historic move for Latinos: he nominated Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court.

    Oyanadel, 45, who works for the state's assembly, remembers the May 26, 2009 nomination as a moment of joy that united much of the community during an otherwise bleak time.

    “It was a celebration and in many ways it felt good in that everything that was happening near us was depressive — the economy was doing bad, the outlook for quality of life for Latinos was not positive," said Oyanadel. "Later on, I was personally happy to realize this was just the beginning.”

    Supporters of Obama tout substantial gains for Hispanics under his watch: The return of Latinos to work after a recession that hit them harder than white workers, as well as a drop in Hispanic poverty rates. About 4 million more Latinos obtained health insurance and the administration waged court battles for thepreservationof voting rights. Obama used his presidential power so thousands of young Latino immigrants could remain in the U.S. without fear of deportation and have the chance to work. And from his office, he forged a new relationship with Cuba.

    To Oyandel's delight, Sotomayor's nomination was followed by a total of six Latinos in Cabinet secretary jobs over eight years as well the hiring of other Hispanics in key administration and White House jobs. Obama made Cecilia Muñoz, a daughter of Bolivian immigrants, one of his top advisers on domestic policies.

    RELATED: Happy Birthday DACA: Youths Say it Improved Immigrants' Lives

    Discussions of Obama's legacy for Latinos frequently become mired in what he did not do on immigration — mainly the failure to get Congress to pass comprehensive immigration reform. His deportation polices have repeatedly come under fire.

    But looking at his presidency through a Latino lens also requires seeing it through the varied lives and backgrounds of U.S. Hispanics as well as significant demographic changes driven by Latinos.

    "Obama was president with a growing Latino population. It exerted just naturally more political [and] economic power, a greater role in our society," said Bernard Fraga, associate professor of Indiana University's politics department. "Latinos are more important in U.S. society than they have ever been."

    Obama is ending his presidency next week with a 71 percent approval rating among Hispanics, recovered from lows of nearly 50 percent in 2013 and 2014.

    For Latinos, he will leave a legacy of inspiration, elevation, opportunity and economic lift, with the caveat of disappointment and for some, disillusionment, for what he didn't get done on immigration.

    Getting Latinos insured
    By the time Obama became president, Latinos had become the largest minority group, edging past African Americans in 2001. But while more than three quarters of whites had private health insurance when Obama entered office, only about 44 percent of Hispanics did. Latinos led all racial and ethnic groups, except Native Americans, in the rate of uninsured.

    "We were the target for Obamacare," said José Dante Parra, CEO of Prospero Latino strategy group.

    Felipe Benítez's mother, a retired doctor who emigrated from Mexico, was one of the people who signed up for Obamacare soon after the president signed the Affordable Care Act into law.

    María de Lourdes Rojas was old enough for Medicare, but wasn't eligible because her working years had preceded her arrival to the U.S. and so she had not contributed from her paycheck to Medicare. Before Obamacare, she was paying steep monthly premiums for private health insurance, said Benítez, a communications strategist in Washington, D.C. Rojas is a U.S. citizen.

    "Remember when (Obama) signed the bill and the mic was still hot and (Vice President) Joe Biden leaned in and said 'This is a big f***ing deal'? Well for me and the family, it was a big f***ing deal — BFD," Benítez said.

    Obamacare has drawn strong criticism among Republican Latino opponents, primarily for its requirements on businesses. But supporters point to strong gains: 4 million more Hispanics have gained insurance, young Latinos are covered until they are 26 through their parents' insurance, no insurance denials for pre-existing conditions and the expansion of community health centers, which have benefited those at the bottom of the economic ladder.

    "Obamacare "is one of the things I will always be grateful for and always remember and I will fight to keep it," Benítez said.

    Immigration’s large shadow
    In his last news conference of 2016, Obama said he was proud of the coalition he built in 2008 and 2012. Latinos turned out strong for him in 2008 when he promised to take up immigration reform in his first 100 days and again in 2012 after he used executive action to protect young undocumented immigrants from deportation and to grant them work permits.

    The Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, known as DACA, has benefited nearly 800,000 young people and indirectly some of their families, because many have been able to attend and graduate from college, work jobs or launch professions and businesses and become homeowners.

    Related: American Dream: After Qualifying for DACA, Young Immigrants Buy Homes

    DACA recipient Brenda Romero, 22, gives Obama a qualified endorsement.

    “There's two sides of the coin: as much as his presidency has given me an opportunity to pursue my education and be able to work and not be afraid of deportation, some of the highest deportation numbers in history have been under him."

    Obama focused deportations on those who had recently crossed the border, including those who had previously been deported and on those detained on an alleged crime...


    Read more here https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/obamanos-president-barack-obamas-legacy-latinos-n698041
     
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    Same ones you cannot invalidate here.


    Doesn't matter who I voted for.

    What matters here right now is, real life, where here in real time somebody wants to keep desperate immigrants out of this country. Yes while somebody else wants to allow them in ... during a time when desperate Terrorists prey upon every opportunity to cross our borders and enter this country.


    Use deductive reasoning. Put it together.
     
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    Run Biden Run!

    SUDDEN BLINDING WHITEOUT IMPERILS NATION:

    ● Shot: CNN Election Analyst On Dems’ 2020 Race: “I am not sure it’s the time to nominate a white man.”

    —Headline, Hot Air, yesterday.

    ● Chaser: The best shot for Democrats is Biden/Beto.

    —Headline, Real Clear Politics, today.
     
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    It is a weak argument and pathetically lazy.
     
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    OK.
    Dismissed.
    You clearly state you don't need to provide links. So, all you claim is of your own accord, ie made up.
     
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    So weak in fact, you can not back up your claim who is calling for ZERO border security. So weak, in fact, you need to do an ad hom attack instead of offering up links and proof. A clear sign of an admission of defeat.

    And for 40+ years, we've been allowing immigrants to come here, many over stay and become illegal.
    No policy changes for over 40 yrs on immigration.
    Donnie boy hired illegals. What a hypocrite.

    Yes, so weak.
     
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    Nancy has Crooked Donnie by the gonads.
     
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    That isn't deductive reasoning. That's parochial fear.
     
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    Dems do not want a wall between them and their voter base: illegal aliens.
     
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    So weak that you make the assumption that elected officials have the citizens best interest in mind.
     
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    I made no assumption of the sort. More made up BS from you. Weaker and weaker your post get.
     
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    Brother I hope You are not being dishonest here, in misquoting me.

    Plus I provided a link, which contains other supporting links, all verifying how Obama was [basically] the First HISP President.


    I have no control over your hallucinations. And I have no, confidence, in the idea that you're going to invalidate anything I posted here.

    If I am so incorrect in what I posted, as you have deluded to...then please stop the whines and post your facts/your evidence which invalidate my scholarship.


    I'll be waiting.
     
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    No doubt we do live in a dreadful place where deductive reasoning = parochial fear, yes indeed, they unfortunately can be interchangeable. Thanks for alluding to that.
     
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    No misquote. I even requoted your very post before and here again where you tell me I don't need links. In other words, you won't provide the links to your claims.
    So, bro, no hallucinations. Just your written words.
     
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    Incoherent

    TRUMP SPRANG THREE TRAPS ON PELOSI AND SCHUMER ON WEDNESDAY:

    Never forget that Trump was the most successful producer of reality television in the history of the medium. He understands drama and a story arc. Chuck Schumer leading a Senate filibuster right before Christmas to stymie border protection is exactly the story Trump wants the nation’s TV-viewers to absorb.​
     
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    "You don't need links" "you don't need to provide links"



    Since I never once refused to, provide links, as you have hallucinated here...then it makes sense that I did provide links after I made the above statement which you misquoted/misrepresented.
     
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    Why are they arguing?

    Trump said Mexico would pay for the wall...Gee, gosh, did he LIE !!! Surely not Trump!!!

    Now he wants to shut down the government because some don't want American taxpayers to foot the bill ???
     
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    Well, I'll put that one down to campaign exaggeration. It isn't as if we don't have a virtual smorgasboard of actual outright direct Trump lies to choose from.

    I fully expect that we will have half a dozen more by the end of the day.
     
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    No, the poster to whom I responded had specifically directed his comment to the Rothschilds. My reply also specifically involved the Rothschilds.

    While it is true upon an impartial inspection that a good many 'players' in the international hegemony of central banks have Jewish last-names (Bernanke, Greenspan, Yellen), it has never been true that in order to be a member of their 'inner-circle' one must be Jewish....

    Examples of high-ranking, inner-circle members of the Federal Reserve 'combine':
    Henry Paulson -- Christian Science
    Tim Geithner -- raised Episcopalian
     

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