Part 24 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

You still ignore my point. You questioned whether or not Jesus was called Holy One in the Bible. Yes, he is. And if you believe Tanakh prophecies refer to Jesus then it is said several times.

Jesus was a teacher.

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You still ignore my point. You questioned whether or not Jesus was called Holy One in the Bible. Yes, he is. And if you believe Tanakh prophecies refer to Jesus then it is said several times.

Jesus was a teacher.

 

Absurd. Pilate was the most cruel of Procurators. Because of his cruelty he was removed by the Romans. You know nothing of Judaism, despite your pitiful claims. If Jesus had been killed by the Jews he would have been stoned. Jewish law forebade crucifixion. He was killed by the Romans and the idea that Pilate was sympathetic to Jesus is Christian myth.
Jews would not take part in a crucifixion so why would they cry 'crucify him'.

 

In the Babylonian Talmud the Jews boast about killing Jesus using five different methods.

 

According to the Bible Jesus is the Messiah the Son of God. For those who do not believe in the Bible they refer Jesus Christ as a holy man, a teacher or a prophet. I believe in the Tanakh as according to the Bible not according to the Pharisees or Judaism.

According to the Bible Jesus is the Messiah the Son of God the God. According to the Pharisees and those who do not believe this include you Jesus was a teacher.

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Post 727: Wanren: When Pontius Pilate presented to the crowd two men Jesus Christ a Holy man and Barabas a criminal, rapist, murderer to chose whom they want him to set free the crowd chose Barabas to be set free and chose Jesus Christ to be crucified. The question now is which crowd to you belong to the crowd for Barabas or for Jesus Christ?

 

So you are STILL calling Barabbas as "rapist".. What the hell is wrong with you???

 

You are making assumption that Pilate was not a smart governor. The Pharisees want the Romans to do their dirty job because in some degree they are afraid that Jesus could be the Messiah. You said it yourself the Jews could have killed Jesus themselves by stoning but they did not they want the Romans to do it and this claim of yours contradict the claim of the Pharisees that they can not sentence their own to death when in fact they can by stoning.

The Bible is very clear Pilate strongly believe Jesus was innocent that is why he did two things (1) he washed his hand as a gesture that Christ blood is not from him or Rome (2) he had the inscription on Christ cross "King of the Jews" against strong protest from the Pharisees Pilate put the inscription to make sure that the reason why Jesus was crucified was because he is the King of Jews a law that is against Rome. Jesus was crucified by Rome as King of the Jews not for blasphemy as the Pharisees wanted. It is no myth it is facts and for real so real the Pharisees efforts to erased Jesus by all means failed. And it is very clear you have no understanding about Christian and Judaic history.

John 19:
6 When the chief priests therefore and officers saw him, they cried out, saying, Crucify him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Take ye him, and crucify him: for I find no fault in him.
7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.

 

Yup Barabbas was also a rapist. Something wrong with that? Are you just like the Pharisees crowds for Barabbas?

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Post 727: Wanren: When Pontius Pilate presented to the crowd two men Jesus Christ a Holy man and Barabas a criminal, rapist, murderer to chose whom they want him to set free the crowd chose Barabas to be set free and chose Jesus Christ to be crucified. The question now is which crowd to you belong to the crowd for Barabas or for Jesus Christ?

 

Does it really matter what crimes Barabbas might have done? The story isn't about his crimes but about God showing mercy and compassion to whoever he want to. The contrast is between the supposedly sinless Jesus and the reprobate Barabbas. God didn't save the sinless, he saved the sinner. As Jesus said, he didn't come to call the righteous but the sick.

Mark 2:17 (CEV) = "Jesus heard them and answered, “Healthy people don’t need a doctor, but sick people do. I didn’t come to invite good people to be my followers. I came to invite sinners.” "

What better way to demonstrate that idea than by showing mercy and compassion to an acknowledged sinner such as Barabbas instead of saving himself?

 

I never deny your hypothesis that is why I said it is very amazing the story is very comparable to the many best selling fictions and myth.
So what happened to those gods and goddesses? Why did all of them suddenly disappeared just like the dinosaurs?

 

You have completely missed the point.. Stick to the scripture and stop telling lies.

 

The point is that the Bible doesn't specify what crimes Barabbas might have done. But it simply doesn't matter what he did because the point is that Jesus came to save the sinners and that's what happened to the Barabbas character. He was a lost sheep and Jesus rescued him. That's what the damn story is about.

Sure, the other poster claimed that Barabbas was a rapist. So what? It has zero to do with the moral of the fairy tale. The argument over what crimes the character might have committed just shows why Gentiles are foolish for believing in ethnocentric Middle East Jewish and Arabian religious fairy tales. Most simply don't have the cultural or intellectual background to understand the stories. So they rely upon the simple explanations which are usually completely wrong. People might have heard what Jesus said but they didn't understand any of it because he spoke in parables to hide his true messages from them. You have to examine the stories in relation to the main ideas throughout the Bible.

If someone claimed that Barabbas used crack and turned the Jerusalem temple into a casino it would be an obvious lie but it still wouldn't affect the moral of the story about why Barabbas was saved.

 

It never seemed to me that Pilate was sympathetic to Jesus.. I thought he was rather indifferent ... and cowardly.. but, my question is how the disciples would know what was said since they weren't present when Jesus appeared before Pilate or Herod.

 

Remember Jesus' conversation with Satan in the desert and their subsequent chit-chat at the pinnacle of the temple and at the top of the mountain. The writer simply made it up.

 

Oh yes.... I get it..

 

But it also says that Jesus only had 5 disciples and other various things about Jesus not in the Gospels. Not surprising for a Jewish antiChristian religion. The Talmud's are full of rabbinical doctrine and personal explanations of scripture. The same applies to Christianity with the different sects that are around.
Jews of the time did not believe in crucifixion.

 

I don't fully agree with what you say. Most of the Parables would have been recognised by the Jews of his day. Their basis was taken from Jewish
scriptures. Jesus was talking to Jews who had learnt the scriptures from a very early age. Jesus based his teachings on these scriptures.

You are right in the comment that Christians don't understand them because they are usually taught Christian doctrine and the Jewish doctrine/culture etc is alien to them.

 

Perhaps there was a reason.

The author C.S.Lewis had a wonderful way of writing stories to explore and a way of exploring situations and 'theological' problems faced by Arthur Ransom, Hero of his trilogy.
Was it that the writer of 'Matthews' gospel had the insight to see the temptations (as Arthur Ransom faced) that Jesus faced and write the temptation story as he understood it. Just a thought.

 

Jesus was 'wired'? as I think you put it in the States

 

Sep 16 2014, 11:10 AM #727

WanRen-

"The Bible, science, history are the strongest evidence of facts presented.

When Pontius Pilate presented to the crowd two men Jesus Christ a Holy man and Barabas a criminal, rapist,..."

http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...ough-questions-regarding-christianity-73.html

 

It wasn't totally a closed door meeting when Jesus was presented to the Harod and Pilate in the crowds are some followers of Christ who would have reported to the Apostles what was happening.

 

Where does it say the meeting with Herod and Pilate were open to the public???

 

And you continue to distort what I have posted and defend Barabbas.

The Bible, science, history are the strongest evidence of facts presented.

When Pontius Pilate presented to the crowd two men Jesus Christ a Holy man and Barabas a criminal, rapist, murderer to chose whom they want him to set free the crowd chose Barabas to be set free and chose Jesus Christ to be crucified. The question now is which crowd to you belong to the crowd for Barabas or for Jesus Christ?

 

I posted QUOTES from you.

See, I figured (knowing your personality) that you would eventually try to claim you "never said what I said"....

so I saved your post where you accused Barabbas of being a "rapist" (ironically and hypocritically talking about "evidence in the Bible") and the link to it....

for the day (Saturday) when you would claim you "never said Barabbas was a rapist".

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Where does it say it wasn't? The crowds shouted "released Barabbas!" if that is not public enough what is?

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Your position in defending Barabbas is indefensible.

 

You claimed Barabbas was a "rapist"....no such evidence in the Gospels. You LIED about something being in the Bible.

You refused to admit that it was false...and kept claiming it. You were "obstinate in your sin".

You now tried to claim you DIDN'T say that Barabbas was a rapist. You LIED again.

I QUOTED you (with links to the page where the quotes are...for all to see)...engaging in those lies. And you accuse ME of "lying". That's bearing false witness.

Your "credibility" on being a Christian, much less a "Bible-believing" Christian...is zero.