Planned Parenthood Official Argues for Right to Post-Birth Abortion

And again I respectfully request you go back to the original post and read the article it links to

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs...-argues-right-post-birth-abortion_712198.html

 

I read all that. I said it's sickening to think it's okay to murder baby after it already survived an Abortion! I said if we made that law, we might as well legalize murder! Because you can't even CALL a living infant a zygote or fetus; that is obviously an infant!

I also said late term abortions are gruesome and sickening! (and those are legal.) So, idk what you're trying to get at! I think you think you're somehow gonna make me change my mind and decide abortion isn't murder, however, I am strongly morally opposed to it, (and I have my reasons.)

I think women who consider abortions don't respect human life, and think their convenience is more important than a child's life!

And of course politicians don't care if we kill our children, it makes for great population control!

 

It is not about semantics but precision. "Psychological reasons" implies a lower order of disability/disease than mental health. There is no denying that per-partum depression is a real and life threatening condition

No I am giving you the opportunity to expand upon your response to clarify what you were intending to communicate

Because that is the impression from your post. - although the accusatory hyperbole may have clouded the interpretation

 

Apologies but you are giving the impression that the proposed law will allow deaths post birth whereas if you read the post it is a law to force any medical providers performing abortions to provide resuscitation to a baby/foetus that is born "alive" following an abortion

Yes and those reasons are based on misinformation

Late term abortions are a RARE event. The later the pregnancy the rarer it is



UK abortion rates



US abortions

Au Contraire - often it is a deep and abiding concern that the baby is not just born to unspeakable suffering
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2006/jan/26/healthandwellbeing.health

 

The reasons are NOT "misinformation." If you must know, it is due to a girl getting a late-term abortion with my child, while I was already morally opposed to any type of abortion. Not to mention, they pull the babies head out, make an incision, and suck out the babies brain using a vaccuum-like machine. It's gruesome and inhuman, and I disagree with abortion because every person has the Right to life; Although the baby isn't BORN yet, it is still a human, and therefore a person (just at a stage before infant,) however, liberals don't CALL them "babies" or "humans," because the idea that it's a "zygote" fits their murderous agenda!

 

It is misinformation. Rarely do women get abortions for "convenience" but more commonly for complex social factors.

I will not accuse you of posting misinformation but since you claim "your girl" had a "late term abortion" surely you would not mind giving more information i.e. how late in the pregnancy was it? What were her stated reasons? Which state was this performed

Now as for the rest - you are basically and badly describing a procedure that is illegal in the USA

 

She wasn't "my girl," she lied to me and told me she and her husband were getting a divorce. I assume she got an abortion so her husband wouldn't find out. I don't know how late she was, nor if it was performed in GA or NY. I don't really have any of that information, cause she didn't even tell me she was pregnant. I found everything out from some mutual friends..

 

Yes it is called convenience not for health reasons for social reasons.

 

Which is to say, YOUR opinion trumps HER opinion, so the law should enforce YOUR opinion.

Ah, love the smell of Christian tolerance in the morning.

 

Hmmmm - so third hand information which may or may not have been correct. By the sounds of it, it was not a "late term abortion" at all, and you would be unaware even if it was, whether or not the foetus was abnormal, or if the pregnancy was terminated for other reasons such as early eclampsia. And you are not even sure IF she was originally pregnant or whether or not that pregnancy was down to you.

Sounds like she was going through a rough time - marriage breakup extra marital affair, lack of support..............

And at this point I HAVE to ask - why were YOU not taking "precautions"? If you have made a woman pregnant when she did not want to be then you are as responsible for an abortion as she is. The only 100% way of stopping abortions is to prevent unwanted pregnancies

 

Hmmm - so a homeless 17 year old seeks an abortion - THAT is "convenience"?

A scared 16 year old who has been bullied into having sex with the local jock - she is having an abortion for "convenience"/

A 15 year old who has been the subject of sexual advances from her mothers boyfriend - is she having an abortion for "convenience"?

The 35 year old woman who already has 4 children at home, one of whom is disabled and requires her full time care, care she cannot give when 9 months pregnant - she is having an abortion for "convenience" too?

 

She told me not to use a condom, and I figured she was on Birth Control. But now you're blaming me like it's MY fault she got an abortion, and this is what I'm saying about Liberals blaming everyone else but themselves. The 16 year old got "bullied" into sex and she was "scared." What about the many women who sees the baby as a burden eating their food, costing them money etc. Most women do have abortions over convenience, they say "Oh I can't afford a baby; what kind of life would that be for it?" and I'd say simply that a life (even if you're impoverished,) is better than not having a chance at life at all!

Besides the "third party" didn't lie to me, and yes SHE WAS definitely pregnant.. That's a silly argument to suggest maybe the whole thing didn't happen

 

No it is to say exactly what I said, it is called convenience not for health reasons.

I love it when those who are pro-abortion try to get snarky and make fools of themselves..............................I'm an atheist, one of the more vocal ones on this board.............ROFLMAO.

 

Only 17 year olds get abortion? The vast majority?

Only scared 16 year olds get abortions?

A 15 year old who has been the subject of sexual advances from her mothers boyfriend - is she having an abortion for "convenience"?

Yes that is an abortion for convenience, that over your head?

Most abortions are NOT for medical reasons. Sorry you don't like to face the facts but then facing the facts about abortion can put a dirty taste in ones mouth can't it.

 

The examples you have given are extreme spectrum of the issue. They are typical "pro-abortion" talking points that attempt to paint extreme circumstances as the "norm".

Here are some statistics that you might find interesting:

http://www.abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/

 

Ah! I should have expected that my posited scenarios would be transformed into giant straw men - and mostly that has occurred because they cannot or will not answer the questions directly

The woman who is sacrificing a possible remember POSSIBLE as most abortions occur in the first 8 weeks, child to try and support her living children - that to you is "convenience", well how condescending

 

And those "mutual friends" may have been lied to or they may have lied to you. But what gives you the right to have sex with a woman - not take responsibility for prevention of pregnancy and then gripe when she is forced into an abortion?

Remember the best abortion prevention is good contraception

Yes I am blaming you. IF a girl had unprotected sex (and have you been checked for STD's?) with a man who assured he he "had a vasectomy" and she subsequently got pregnant - whose fault would it be?

You have no proof of that pregnancy - did you see a positive pregnancy test? Ultrasound? Was this a natural abortion (miscarriage) or was it an induced abortion? Did she go to a clinic for surgical intervention or did she take RU487?

And yes, the circumstance of the young girl bullied into having sex with a class mate is not unusual, Your own circumstances show that people lie about sex - by your own story a woman has - why do you think men would not lie about sex?

And it still comes down to the best and only effective method of preventing abortion is to prevent unwanted pregnancies. I do believe American men who get on these forums "blaming" women for being "sluts" and having "abortions because of convenience" should instead be taking responsibility for reducing unwanted pregnancies and abortions

Lobby the pharmaceutical industry to come up with an EFFECTIVE male contraceptive

Hand out free condoms at schools

Encourage men to be more proactive in taking responsibility

Heck - Learn to tie an effective knot in it

Just stop blaming the women for something that is also YOUR fault

 

She wasn't "forced" to have an abortion. You Liberals will say anything to justify your beliefs. Government taxes are FORCE, the baby is FORCE into death and, the government forces compliance; these things are force. Having an abortion is a choice to impose force on an innocent baby.

 

If you give someone no option then it is force, sorry

Learn from this - men HAVE to take EQUAL responsibility

 

These people, and their supporters may be the worst most vile people to ever walk the earth.

At 12:13 they pick up another human arm, it’s large, well developed, clearly human. It had been violently torn from the baby, with the violent tearing apart resulting in death. And each part torn of the baby is worth a $100 on the butchered baby market.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...enthood-caught-selling-intact-aborted-babies/