Oh hello again and good afternoon. Yes, funding NHS is a problem. Nurses should be paid what they are worth, though. As for finding solutions to the funding problem, I am almost certain that it will eventuate with a 2-tier system. We already have this is that people do pay for private medical care, just not for emergency care, which is not allowed. It won't be fair or nice, but what is more important than fair is looking after vulnerable people as best we can with the resources we have. If that means we vacate some beds by moving people into their own private suite, OK. BTW, I'm also considering opening up nursing homes located in poorer countries, where you can pay staff less and they still have a good standard of living. Its a nascent thought but I'm mulling over it...
UK car manufacturing will take no "hit" whatsoever. Foreign cars will cost more than domestic ones. It will boom. The EU is not expected to pass tariffs against out car industry because we will tariff back. It will hurt their car industry more to tariff our cars than it will not to. Now we do want some greater tariff on car industries. The deal we have currently is a bad one. So the EU is going to be upset by this. But tough ****.
I think I've told you what I would be doing. One of two things, killing a lot of people or emigrating. I expected to lose, I expected to leave when I did. I had jobs lined up for me in China. A consensual citizenship there for me. You cannot make me an EU citizen. If you corner me and try I may kill you. My boss here said vote EU or I will sack you. I didn't tell him I'd found work abroad and would be leaving his employment one way or another. I voted Brexit. Brexit won. I got layed off. But here I am. In a country I am proud to be a part of. As long as I can leave with my wealth and feel secure in the happiness of those loved ones I leave behind, I shall not fight you. But if I cannot or will not leave, then I must fight. And that's Brexit. Saving the country from people who have misread the intensity of my convictions.
You seem very certain with your predictions and how the hated EU is going to do the right thing for you. Can I borrow your crystal ball when you have finished with it I want to know tomorrows lottery numbers.......
Ah, you're one of those whiny Hollywood types that were going to run for Canada if Trump won the US election. Very patriotic of you........
Giving two fingers to the EU is the right thing to do for me. The economics of it are not the deciding issue. As it happens I find the economics a contributory issue. Supportive of our leaving. The problem for remainers is that you can't sell us on your dream. We do not want to be part of a supernation taking on the US for global hegemony. We do not want to be part of the global socialism. We don't want to be assimilated. So you can keep straw manning us with spurious economic forecasts but I'm not uneducated in such things. Your scare stories sound childish to me. Go play the lottery.
And you feel it would be somehow more patriotic of me to wage civil war amongst my peers, friends and family do you? Do you feel that my killing you to be an act of patriotism? I can assure that it would be. Death to all traitors. No. If you turn this country to ****, I will not watch you do it. Or defend you from any wrath that it incurs. If you will not allow my nation to be strong and defensible, I will move all I love to one that is. I will be patriotic to only those who reciprocate. I'm not here to build your utopia into a place where I am not welcome. Forget it. My loyalty to you is wholly and 100% dependent on your loyalty to me. And if you are a traitor to your own country, advocating patriotism is quite a dangerous thing to do. I advise against this. My goal is to get out of the EU without a war. But I'll take one if that's the only way you allow me.
Its 16% of rest-of-EU's exports. The UK is the largest export market of the rest of the EU, followed quickly by the USA at 15% of EU's exports. https://fullfact.org/europe/where-does-eu-export/ The rest-of-EU is the destination of 44% of the UK's exports. But of all the EU countries, we only have a significant trade surplus with Ireland.
Yes, which means just as we don't want a free trade agreement with the EU, Ireland may not want one with us. So maybe they will stick with the EU. I'm not sure about them to be honest. They may get bounced out of the EU to trade better with us. Thanks for those better figures. The point I use them to illustrate is that we are a major important market for them. That despite our limited populace we are still their best customers. We still have more bargaining power with them economically than the USA. We are the no.1 foreign economic power in their lives. While Europe is the destination for 44% of our exports, the EU is not. Only our exports in goods are covered by the EU treaty. The bulk of our exports to Europe are financial services. These are not under the jurisdiction of the EU. it has no relevancy to them. Not for the lack of our trying of course but they don't want us in their financial free trade zone because we so utterly dominate it globally that their own industries can't compete. So our car exporters have to compete tariff free with theirs, but their banks do not have to compete tariff free with ours. What a **** deal indeed.
Well if you want to start killing your fellow countrymen I recommend driving a truck at high speed into a crowded international farmers market. Not very brave but very effective.
Your not my fellow countryman though are you. I'm a loyal British subject and you are a loyal EU citizen. You have chosen to take my country away from me in favour of a foreigner. A traitor that makes you. The traditional punishment for which is as unpleasant a death as is humanly possible. You chose foreigners over your own. Now you aren't one of us. You may still want to be, but you aren't. We won't accept you any more. When it was time to stand up and be counted, you stood with foreigners against domestics. So go. Go nation with your buds. You don't have my back, I would be a fool to still have yours. And with the political divide at almost 50%, don't expect mild acts of terrorism. Expect independence movements like in Ukraine.
Screw you, I chose remain because I think it is the best future for the UK. I am English first then British then European. These identities are not mutually exclusive, I can be all three plus a proud member of the Commonwealth, hell I can even be proud to be a member of the human race. If you consider yourself to be only a British subject then you can stuff your narrow minded nationalism up your chocolate starfish and sod off to China.
Exactly, for all your "patriotism" and humanity you would be rid of me the first chance you got. So expect no less loyalty from me to you. You don't have my back, you would sell me out willingly and indeed already have attempted to do so. I'm staying, you can go live in the EU if you prefer their nationality to ours. You say you would put English and British first, but you have not done so. Your words are empty. Your actions speaking loudly. Whatever vision of the UK you think the EU is best for, it isn't shared by your fellows. The UK has told you what is best for it, you'd rather do what is best for yourself and foreigners as a priority. I can respect that. But it makes you my country's enemy. I need a nation strong enough to survive. If you don't feel that kind of loyalty to us, I can't use you. Sorry. Approach my flag in battle and I will attack you.
Pah, I could just as easily say that only I am waving my Union flag for the right reasons. Unlike you though I am not talking about ''division'' and ''compromise over my dead body''. I don't want to leave half of the country dissatisfied or refuse to see nuances in my conviction that my side is 100% in the right. Your extremism makes you a minority and I think the eventual deal put to the EU and parliament will prove more unacceptable to you than it does to me.
I gather you are referring to "Tony". His record (whilst in office) is not so desultory as your above comment insinuates. From the BBC here (May 2007) after he left office: 'Nuff said ... ?
Before the referendum, in the run up, it occurred to me that whoever wins it's going to be a divided country. Unsatisfactory. That it is maybe already too late and the EU has broken us as a nation. So I popped this question on a few forum boards. If your side wins what concessions will you make to the losers? And I came up with a few of my own that I no longer remember to start the ball rolling. Maybe keep some subsidies going or sign up to certain mutually agreeable policies. Etc. But they thought they had it in the bag. They were going to win. They didn't want to offer any concessions then. Not a single person on a single board came up with a concession for those who wish to leave the EU if the referendum failed. They all just said "leave". Once I realised the nature of who I was dealing with, I changed tack. No point offering concession to those who will offer none in return.. Give them an inch and they will take a mile. Play any type of softball with these people at all and they will take my concessions and turn them right back into an EU agreement again. Just like they did last time. No concessions no quarter and no mercy. If you are an unreasonable person, you must expect to be treated unreasonably in return. I offer you war. Death destruction and misery. I will make you this concession. Accept democracy and it won't be today. If you wish to keep your EU membership without me, you must seek concession from the EU. To join the EU without forcing 15 million of your countrymen to join with you. If they allow you to join, you can. If they won't have you without me too, then seek concessions from them not me. Because I am a fanatic. I make a much worse enemy than they do. I propose you join as an individual, are taxed as an individual. (Freemasons style, America style) and sign yourself up to be adjudicated by EU courts, Sharia style. Judge Judy style. Dual nationality. But that would mean adopting liberalism. And I don't think fascists want that. So all you have to do is abandon fascism and get the EU to do so also. Easy!
Where in my discussions with you have I seemed unreasonable and unwilling to compromise? The fact that you seem to want to tar all remainers with the same brush makes me think you are the unreasonable one. Check out my conversations with federalist fan boy Lafayette Bis to see some of the common ground I share with you.......
I suggest you have a look at the comparative array of national health services both private - as in the US - and national as in most of the developed world. First, as regards Life Expectancy: Would you care to live two years less as does a Yank? Or spend twice as much as the rest of the developed world that has a National Healthcare System that manages costs. (Unlike America's private insurance system that "sets the cost" of Heathcare.) As shown here: Correct me if I am wrong, but those infographics above show how very much US healthcare is a Monumental Ripoff!
Correct me if I am wrong, but those infographics above show how very much US healthcare is a Monumental Ripoff!
If you are reasonable, except the result of democracy and move on. Your comments are unreasonable. A man on the radio with an understanding of classical history, (where you are taught about free trade agreements) and you dismissed him out of hand. You dismissed the electorate out of hand as being too stupid to vote properly, And at no point have you shown any sign of being respectful to either those people who took part in a democratic process with you or indeed those you don't agree with politically. Nothing reasonable going on here. You are dismissing people of equal or superior education to yourself as being less educated. Dismissing the views you don't approve of out of hand. Given you find my views narrow minded and not of equal importance to your own, there is no reason not to offer you the same in return. What you lack is a concept of reciprocation. You seem willing to take but not give back in return. You have had 30 years of EU, now it is my turn for 30 years of no EU. Reciprocate. Compromise. Or don't and face the consequences.
