Potential Alternatives to the Capitalist System

It would appear the question answers itself.

 

Let's look at this from a different perspective.

In order to make a car, productive effort was applied. Enforcing legal property rights to the end product of such processes entices production, making humanity more prosperous.

How does a property right to a geographical location increase supply?

 

Not only is no country using it but no person with an economic background even advocates it. This board should not be a place for freaks when there are real ideas in play that should be discussed.

 

Heyt!!

 

not only is no country using the idea but no economist is even advocating it. It is a freaks idea at best.

 

Humans have tried everything- most ideas fail in 2 generations or less.

The mix that socialist-capitalist countries in northern Europe has is probably the best overall- read some of the writing by people that have lived in this area for years and also in other areas of the world for years.

War-wise, the Swiss banks kept Switzerland out of both WW1 and WW2, and all of the litttle wars in between and after, even when Germany was invading all their neighbors during WW2.

I know of someone who travels the world for work, and he says Oslo, Norway is the best city overall, with the smallest slums- it might have something to do with the very cold winter temperatures causing lazy people to move to places like Greece and Portugal (or the southern US).

 

if it was the best southern europe would copy it, obviously, since they are neighbors and socialists too. 1+1=2

 

The question is, who is it best for?

The richest like pure capitalism, more like 1928 before the Great Depression, or 1800 in the US when they could own slaves or pay ridiculously low salaries with no benefits.

The average person seems happiest in Northern Europe- they pay high taxes compared to the US but get much more for their tax money- a much better safety net, with the richest not as stinking rich.

I think the whole world would be better off studying northern Europe and adapting their laws, schools and customs as much as possible. The wealthy elites and many others totally disagree, often because of the environment they grew up in has got to be the best on earth, and not just random chance for their birth location.

 

obviously its best for everyone. China just switched to it and instantly eliminated 40% of the entire planet's poverty. What planet have you been on??

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pure liberal ignorance. Great Depression was caused by a mistaken monetary policy not capitalism. 1+1=2

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dear, slavery existed for 10000 years before capitalism was invented under 1000 different forms of government. Do you understand??

 

and you think southern Europe forgot to study northern Europe????? Maybe you should write to them and point it out??

PS: ever seen poor Norwegian Americans or poor Swedish Americans?? What does that teach you???

 

Every country has poor people- it is more about how they are treated or mistreated.

For the happiness index for countries at Wikipedia (or Forbes), none get up to an 8 out of a possible 10 score.

When I wrote this to friends, they said the US is bigger and more mixed culturally to be able to copy these small countries in northern Europe.

My answer to this is that billionaires and other law makers in the US refuse to switch to something more fair, and it is just excuses for not studying their laws then trying them a little at a time.

The US laws and poverty continue to become more like Mexico and less like Canada, and even farther from northern Europe.

 

now thats too stupid!!! The USA is more socialist than ever and our economy is worse than ever and race relations are worse than ever!!! For 10th time: if Europe cant copy Norway despite being happily socialist then the USA with very different traditions certainly cant. Now do you understand?? 1+1=2

 

Socialism failed in the Northern European countries we are witnessing a liberalization(capitalism) of these regions, that's why they are starting to prosper. Plus, they call themselves socialist when in reality they have fewer regulations on their system than we do here. It fails, I understand your argument but ultimately it is a failure. When the euro fails the northern Scandinavian countries will be in ruined because they can not afford to devalue their dollar.

Plus what bothers me personally about the "left" using this example is that they seem to forget the immigration policies of these countries are extremely strict. So they contradict themselves constantly when they attack trump for his immigration policy, but forget that labor unions and Scandinavian countries enforce extreme protectionist policies, such as the barring of any meaningful immigration into their system. I am not suggesting you are one of these people,I'm just merely pointing out an observation of fallacious reasoning on this common political argument.

If you want to look at a somewhat stable country that is probably considered highest happiness and most prosperous look at Switzerland.

 

all true!! We have higher corporate taxes than they do and we depend far more on the top 1% for govt revenue than they do. Also, they are tiny non-representative countries with very Germanic but docile populations, which is why their major socialist neighbors in southern Europe cant copy them.

 

For everyone that thinks the countries in northern Europe suck dead donkey dicks-

Have you ever been there?

Have you ever talked to someone from there, who also has spent years in your beloved best country in the world to you?


1 + 1 sometimes equals 4 (when a wife and her husband have twins).

 

you don't get a PH.D by visiting a country. Sorry to rock your world.

 

Many experts and good leaders did not or do not have PhDs- Thomas Edison, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and Warren Buffett are probably examples- some may have got honorary PhDs later (like Bill Cosby).

 

dear, you mistakenly said you were an expert because you had been there. I corrected you by informing you that having been there, like 100's of millions of others, does not make you an expert or confer upon you a PH.D. or the equivalent thereof. Now do you understand?

 

"You mistakenly said you were an expert because you had been there."

That statement is a lot of reading between the lines, incorrectly.

I am an expert for abandoned coal mine land history searches in one US state, and I have a masters degree in environmental biology from 1991.

I have never been to the countries in northern Europe, but I do a lot of reading including writing by people who have been there, and also to the US and a lot of other countries as well. I read many country comparisons for happiness, crime rates, the gap between the rich and the poor, infant mortality, and test scores for math and science. I generally stay away from news like Fox News and CNN because of their biased slants and more emotions than real numbers; and I do like the news and/or comedy shows on the HBO cable network including Vice, Bill Maher's and John Oliver's shows.

 

dear your whole post ended with have you been there??????????? As if having been to China made you a Ph.D or expert? So, care to try again to say something intelligent about China?

 

You forgot Nikola Tesla who literally lit up the world. He didn't have a college degree. His college professors kept telling him his vision of alternating current wasn't realistic. He quit school and within a few years of coming to America, he used Niagra Falls as the source of the power that lit up New York.

 

Since I have not been to the countries in northern Europe, I quote others that have been there, or international studies that include them.

I am not a jerk like Donald Trump "Let's Make America Great Again!" (because it sucks now even though I refuse to read anything, like Bush Jr.)

Or a jerk like Hillary Clinton (America is the best country on earth because we have the most expensive, often misused and corrupt military with great soldiers given horrendous orders, that I plan to misuse more) [a summary, not actual quotes].

 

Trump is a genius, not a jerk. When Sanders, an open commie, gets half the vote, and Hilary takes his endorsement with head shaking and hands clapping you know for sure that America is no longer great but rather being hollowed out by libcommieism. Do you understand?

 

Trump says a lot of dumb things to be a genius- maybe a genius at attracting the type of people that are at Breitbart.com, such as racists and other far-right types. I think his cure might be worse than the disease- we will find out if he gets elected.

Sanders wants us to be a more fair mix of socialism and capitalism, like Norway or Switzerland. I like socialism- I will gladly cash social security checks after retirement, after I got part of my paychecks taken to go into this fund.
Note that the military, police, and public school teachers are also paid by socialist tax funding, along with Trump if he gets elected..

Communism has never been tried on a big scale, but it seems to fail against basic human greed. Hippie communes in the 1960s usually did not last long, and the original Christian commune of 13 soon fell apart after their leader was killed, to be resurrected many years later by Constantine in a very different form with wealthy, pampered leaders living on donations and with church members usually getting capitalistic pay for their labor.

The USSR called itself socialist, but it was really a brutal dictatorship with a tiny number in the Communist Party getting most of the wealth.

 

China is a lot like we were in the 1950s- many dirty factories making stuff to export, and filthy air and water.

China has the second biggest military in the world, and they have the most scientists now. I think most of the newest energy technology will come from them- the US government leaders are mostly paid off by the banks and fossil energy companies, and the US still has a lot of coal, fossil oil, and natural gas so we can better afford to wait and later steal (buy) the Chinese alternative energy technology. The Chinese steal a lot of our technology now, and I read that they bought Volvo and Jaguar to get their technology, while keeping the car factories in Sweden and England.

Tesla does a fair job for electric cars for the rich (some reliability issues now)- I am guessing China will have some good electric cars for the poorer workers in the next 20 years. The middle class electric car now is one of several mid-priced hybrids, or the Nissan Leaf all electric. Electric cars will sell better after there are more charging stations for them, the bugs are worked out, and they become more mass produced to bring the price down.