Pro choice people eventually become pro life

I do now.

 

I'm here to discuss and debate and not necessarily to "win". Add to that the fact that I have made every effort in life to not be ego based and have found that as ego dissipates light shines in and it's easier to distinguish facts from hard held convictions which opens doors I didn't even know were there. In a way that doesn't make me more of a man in the common vernacular but actually makes me less of a man if you can follow that. Kind of getting on a different subject here though. LOL

 

You too. Beautiful here and we are going kayaking and as a matter of fact I better get things in gear. Enough of this political stuff for today.

 

No one supports abortion up to the point of birth unless a mothers life or the fetuses life is in peril so stop with your silly straw man. No one supports that and no doctor will do that and it is illegal. If your wife was going to die giving birth what would you do?

 

I'm going to disagree with you. One cannot support the principle of bodily autonomy and not support, as a legal right, a woman's right to seek an abortion at any stage. Now mind you, as I have noted before, I think in this thread (I'm having similar debates in other threads and sites), there does come a point where it is logistically easier to induce birth or perform a c-section and the offspring is removed live. And while we can certainly point to the fact that any kind of non emergency abortion would rarely be chosen, and historically has not been, the lack of use of a right does not mean the right doesn't exist. And such a right also does not require a medical professional to perform said procedure against their will or judgement. But if we do claim a legal limit then we are claiming some kind of right of the offspring. At which point we have to make a distinct line for that right, as we do between minors and adults.

 

Actually according to statistics between 13% and 18% do support that and I'm glad you agree with me that you are also against on demand late term abortion. As stated in the OP at some point in the pregnancy we are almost universally in agreement on this so I really don't know why you have been trying to disagree this entire thread only to fully agree now but whatever. Welcome to the pro life side of the debate.

 

I notice your debate pattern. Make false claims, when asked to support claim you take cheap shots, move the goal post, and avoid answering. You then finish up with a comment about people lying to themselves and not liking what they see in the mirror. I see you do it with other forum members.

In spite of your egregious violations of forum rules, I have not reported you.

My position is simple enough for any child to understand. I am personally against abortion. I would never allow my position to be forced on others in the way of anti-abortion laws.

What about my position do you have an issue with?

 

I have not made a single false claim - you are projecting your nonsense on to me.

 

Lets start with one. You claimed that I was inconsistent. Please quote the inconsistency or admit your claim was false.

 

Not just inconsistent - You engage in contradiction/hypocrisy - and I have posted this to you at least 10 times now.

You claim - That the State should be able to make one person responsible for the consequences of the decision/actions of another with respect to an unintended pregnancy.

Your hypocrisy is that you then claim that a woman should not be made responsible for the consequences of the decision of another with respect to an unintended pregnancy.

You want the Law to apply differently to men than to women in this respect.

This is a violation of at least 2 rule of law principles 1) one person is not to be held responsible for the actions of another 2) equal justice under the law.

 

Nice dodge. So you being mad about losing an argument in another thread represents an inconsistency on my part? Classic!

 

I think what has happened is the uneducated has made this concept thhaatthewkthy women I New,thytue

I just want you to know it is illegal to perform an abortion and a viable fetus if the fetus is healthy and the mother is healthy. Yes there will be 13 to 18% to support saving a woman’s life.

 

Huh? Of course the law applies differently to men ... women bear most of the consequences

 

The statistic you hate show 13%-18% are pro choice to the bitter end and support the mothers choice right up until birth with no mention or caveat of "saving the mothers life". The rest of us apparently even including you which you also hate to admit would indeed include that caveat in our opinion on very late term abortion.

 

I didn't lose... you got crushed and started name calling because you had not ability to defend your hypocritical position. Just because held a certain position in a different thread - does not excuse your hypocrisy.

 

Quit jumping into a conversation of which you do not understand.

 

So go to that thread and answer my simple question. Do you have anything worth reading for this topic?

 

I am smart enough to know that it is illegal to abort a healthy viable fetus with a healthy mother. It’s just one of those strawman argument to take away women’s reproductive freedom

 

I will jump into any conversation I want even one that makes no sense..I love mansplaining to women about their reproductive rights.

 

And you agree it should be illegal which brings us back to the OP and my statement that at some point in the pregnancy we all become pro life and that means yes, even you.

 

Pro-Choice can also be Pro-Life....I personally disagree with Abortion and would never agree to one in my life. I also disagree with making someone else be like me or eliminating their freedom of choice through backhanded and cruel legalities.

 

Yes you have firmly established your views on this several times in this thread and yes you are in the 13%-%18% that feel this way. I got it a long time ago.

 

The thing is he is not talking about the legality of abortion, but personal feelings. If you scroll through the sub thread of him and me, you'll see he admits that. His assertion is that while we may be proc at early stages, somewhere along the line we all personally become pro life, regardless of whether we would impose that on another.

 

So hang on a bit. Why would it not be taking away a woman's reproductive rights to make it illegal to abort a healthy viable fetus? Would she not be losing her rights by any stage of pegnancy being denied her to end it? Unless we are talking as abortion is only the killing of the ZEF as opposed to the ending of the pregnancy.

 

I did no such thing - this is what I mean by jumping into a conversation.