Pro-Life Activist Arrested For Praying Silently Outside An Abortion Clinic, Advocates Say

Why should those people not be allowed to protest without a buffer zone but individuals with religious psychosis should be allowed to?

 

Protest doesn’t have to be angry or malicious. Definition is “a statement or action expressing disapproval of or objection to something."

It's not really about prayer, it's about it being a kind of action that constitutes protest in a way that interferes with lawful activity. She had no business to be there and was loitering for no reason other than to protest. A targeted protest like this is basically soft intimidation, is the idea. People can pray. And they can even protest loudly, but not when it's interfering with lawful activity.

You might try to argue it's not intimidation. Well, do you want people staring at you disapprovingly when you go to get a medical procedure done?

 

She wasn't arrested for staring disapprovingly. She was arrested for (maybe) praying in her mind. Is it your contention that her silent possible-prayer somehow "interfered with lawful activity" in some way above and beyond what her standing there and not praying (which apparently would have been legal) would have?

 

The relevance of the prayer is it revealed her motive to protest. She knew where she was, and she chose that spot to "pray." If she said she was just spacing out and had no idea what was going on, it's more like somebody accidently standing in the way. It's annoying, but not protest. Her standing there with that motive is silent protest, like people who would have sit-ins in prior movements. Her very presence of being there where she has no business to be is disruptive to a very private medical procedure.

 

If you have any evidence that she was "verbally abusing people" on the day of her arrest, I'd be open to reviewing it, but it seems that you do not, is that correct?

FYI, here is the video of her interaction with the police. They certainly don't contradict her when she says she was just standing there and might be praying in her head. There was no "hey, we saw and heard you hurling insults at those women a minute ago" or anything like you'd expect if she were actually doing any of that.

 

In the video (which I posted above), she doesn't appear to be "disruptive" at all. She's out on the sidewalk, next to a bush. She's not even in the middle of the sidewalk, FFS, she's off to the side, not blocking an entrance or anything. She does not have a bullhorn or other sound amplification device. She's not holding any sign or picture. Her hands are in her pockets. She's even talking softly in her exchange with the police. In summary, it's difficult for me to imagine a physical presence by anyone that is less disruptive than hers.

 

Her presence where she has no business is disruptive and a form of silent protest. Had she not revealed her motive to protest, the appropriate response from the police would be to ask her to move along. Do you want people who have no business to be there staring at you, praying for you, while you go to get a medical procedure that some people view as sinful? True, it would be much more potent had she been in a group of silent protesters that are harder to walk around. It could be more disruptive and her intent was initially ambiguous, and that's why they had to ask questions to determine her intent before arresting her. Had she been hurling insults and holding a sign, they could have arrested her without her answers.

 

How is not impeding and silently praying is interfering in a lawful activity. What you are advocating is that people can only selectively protest, depending on the political winds. If you are for it, protest is the democratic thing too do. If doesn't align, then you are interfering in a lawful activity. Did you condone the protest being held at the SCOTUS's houses?

I could give three chits to what people think of me. That is their demon to deal with, not mine!

 

There is a right to protest. But not a right to protest anywhere. Protesting at scotus houses, even silent protest, is also intimidation. I understand the motive though - they're probably not going to even be aware of the protest otherwise. But the same sort of law that creates a buffer zone for abortion clinics would not allow scotus house protest by the same principle. It's not based upon political winds, at least to me.

Well, the scotus people could grow a thicker skin too... or we could not let people try to intimidate them.

 

I wonder how god felt when he picked up the phone and realized she only called him to prove a point.

 

Perhaps you can point out where I wrote that she was verbally abusing anyone on the day of her arrest? Why are you making things up?

The police do say in that video that she has been going there every day for days while a prohibition notice was in place. Was she previously told to not stand there and she completely ignored their warning....... Does she think laws don't apply to her.

 

Literally, in the history of mankind, no magic sky fairy has answered these chants.

 

She wasn't arrested for "silently praying". LOL

Being an "atheist" you especially should know better then to just take a Christian pro-birther/medias word, on anything.;

Isabel Vaughan-Spruce, 45, charged with breaching exclusion zone near abortion clinic

:"She was arrested close to the BPAS Robert Clinic in Kings Norton"

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/isabel-vaughan-spruce-45-charged-25794626

 

I would want to see the police cam, if happened as said, it's wrong

 

we need to make sure to get rid of bad cops here when we find them, don't want that here

we should all support good cops, not bad ones

 

in the USA we allow Christians to protest dead soldiers funerals, so that will never happen here - it's been tested, we have 1st Amendment protections - especially if all one is doing is praying

 

This is what you wrote. I'd like to draw your attention to the highlighted sentence:

You wrote that in an (unconvincing) attempt to call into question her claim that she had not been doing anything but standing there silently. You did that without any evidence that she had been doing anything but standing there silently. And then you had the temerity to accuse me of "making things up". That's a loathsome level of hypocrisy.

 

I have always found the lame attempts of theists to shame women to by an ugly testament to their Christian based hatred.

 

That is more than reasonable.

 

According to multiple Biblical narrative verses she was not violating any tenets of the Author of Christianity. The New Testament of Jesus The Christ.

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/tenet
Tenet ~ noun A basic generalization that is accepted as true and that can be used as a basis for reasoning or conduct.

The important words in Matthew 6:5-8 to reach understanding are hypocrites, reward & secret.
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/hypocrite
The word hypocrite is rooted in the Greek word hypokrites, which means “stage actor, pretender, dissembler
Hypocrite~noun A person who professes beliefs and opinions that he or she does not hold in order to conceal his or her feelings or motives.
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/reward
Reward~ noun A recompense for worthy acts or retribution for wrongdoing
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/secret
Secret~ adjective Not openly made known

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/silent
Silent~adjective Marked by absence of sound

She was silently praying and clearly she did get retribution for wrongdoing based on a Secular Law.

The Biblical question is what reward will she deserve based on The Biblical narrative. Is she actually a hypocrite. Is vocal or silent prayer in public not allowed according to the tenets of the Bible or Christianity?

https://www.gotquestions.org/praying-out-loud.html A little snippet from the link follows….
In Luke 18:10-14, Jesus gives this parable:
“Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’

But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’ I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God.

For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

Notice that the tax collector also prayed aloud, but his prayer was from a humble heart, and God accepted it. The sin of the Pharisees was not public prayer but a haughty spirit.

 

Or she was violating an ordinance to martyr herself for fake Christian keyboard jockeys

 

Hmm. I've never heard of this expression before. Do you have an inside connection with God to know who is fake?

 

. You said that she was just praying in her head = definite statement. Why do you believe her, a prominent member of an anti-abortion protest group? I said that her praying in her head may or may not be true. And we are talking about days not one day. Did you conveniently ignore the first sentence. . Do you understand the difference? Someone would have reported her. it was not reported to the police by a mind reader who knew that she was an anti -abortionist

 

Doubtful she was arrested simply for praying in public.

 

Oh, totally