Race and Crime

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by Conservative Democrat, Jul 25, 2020.

  1. Buri

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    You’re projecting. It’s pretentious and unbecoming.

    As of 2021 it’s 69% of all violent crime, which is a bit much for 13% of the population.
    https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/new...ace-and-ethnicity-violent-crime-perpetrators/
     
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    I read that book. It's was pretty interesting...drug dealers make less than minimum wage.
    Here are 16 theories for the drop in crime. Yours are #s 1 and 15.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    From your citation...
    "Black people make up 13% of the U.S. population, they were 33% of persons arrested for non-fatal violent crime (NVC), which includes rape, robbery, aggravated assault, and other assaults. Black people were 36% of those arrested for serious non-fatal violent crimes (SNVC), including rape, robbery, and aggravated assault."

    So, you added 33% and 36% to get your 69%. Blacks account for 69% of all violent crime.

    It goes on to talk about Hispanics and then whites....."Whites, who are 60% of the population, were 46% of persons arrested for non-fatal violent crimes, and 39% of those arrested for serious non-fatal violent crimes."

    Going by your analysis you would add 46% and 39% to get 85%. So whites account for 85% all of violent crime? Hmm, that's 154%.

    BTW where did 81% come from you've been throwing around?
     
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    Yes, they account for 69% of all violent crime according to 2021 stats from the site. I'm not sure where you got your math, maybe use the recent crime stats for help? It was another year where the stats added up to 81%, is that an issue or is the fact that 13% of the population are responsible for WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more than their share of violent crime?
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    And whites account for 85% of violent crime?
     
  6. Buri

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    Is that what the fbi stats say?
     
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    U.S. Department of Justice Office of Justice Programs Bureau of Justice Statistics November 2011

    Based on available data from 1980 to 2008—  Blacks were disproportionately represented as both homicide victims and offenders. The victimization rate for blacks (27.8 per 100,000) was 6 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000). The offending rate for blacks (34.4 per 100,000) was almost 8 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000)

    https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf
     
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    Uhh... we already covered the IQ thing and that the black community "magically" is gaining on the white privileged people due to the black community being able to drag itself slowly away from the lowest social economic step the white people pushed them to during the racist Jim Crow era. An era so recent that the people like Biden and Trump personally benefited from.


    And you're brining up that quack Rushton again, while I just told you he is highly disputed and gets called a nazi by his colleague's.
    Not such a legit source.


    THAT, and you're not debunking my point that systemic racism happens all over.
    It leads to black people being imprisoned at a high and dishonest rate of around 600% for drug related offenses.
    And the white population acting like that towards the black community leads them to be dishonestly impoverished.
    And poverty leads to scoring low on IQ scores, due to poor housing, poor nutrition, poor schooling.
     
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    You asked my opinion as if it mattered, while my 6 sources are from highly qualified institutions who all point out that systemic racism happens all over.
     
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    If you REALLY trusted your sources, then you would not have said that "MAYBE" I'm correct! I'm simply stating the FACT that they don't know about all of the drug crime and they do not claim to!
     
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    "Scientists?" What, as in RACE scientists?
     
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    The truth of Professor Rushton's assertions, like those of Charles Murray's is obvious to anyone with extensive experience with the three major races. Professor Rushton was a brave man who was persecuted for telling truths that explain why the War on Poverty, Head Start, and No Child Left Behind have been failures, and why black crime rose after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed into law.

    Once a high school mathematics teacher told me in private that few blacks are able to learn algebra II, and that many are unable to understand concepts as simple as negative numbers and fractions. It does not matter how the concepts are taught. They lack the intelligence to learn them.

    Nearly all the Negroes who came to the United States as slaves were Bantu. The Bantu never developed systems of writing or mathematics. Their languages had three words for numbers: one, two, more than two. The Bantu were never selected genetically for proficiency in mathematics. That is why their descendants in the United States have trouble learning it.
     
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    We already discussed that these quacks got trashed by their colleagues to be a racist nazi's.
    I fail to see why you're brining up what is not considered to be scientific at all.
    You're just showing a rather flawed in your own character to find nothing odd with it.
    Not to mention that you were dishonest about what his colleagues thought about these quacks.

    All this is, is some alleged utterly racist anecdote. Does it look like I care, when I proved that systemic racism happens in the US all over with 6 sources? Your anecdote, if true, confirms you had a racist math teacher who treated black people 2nd class and assumed things based on their skin color... and falls within the statistics of systemic racism being applied.
     
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    I know. I was trying to point out devil man's misuse of statistics when he wrote blacks account for 69% of all violent crime, but if you used his method in the same citation you would come up with whites account for 85% of all violent crime....apparently he doesn't get it.
     
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    How is the Department of Justice misusing statistics?
     
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    And you don't either....#1003
     
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    What kind of an answer is that?
     
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    That's not a fact, but your personally biased silly opinion.
    I'm absolutely not interested in debating with some gimp on a forum thinking his opinion matters more then scientific research done by highly credible institutions.
    That's all you got going for the past couple of months.
     
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    You go prove that the people behind my 6 sources are "race scientists".

    My sources stand.
     
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    The misuse of these statistics is epic.
    People endlessly make the mistake that the people who the cops arrest and get to convict think it's 100% of all crime. But that is a total joke.

    Most reported violent crime goes unsolved. It's around 54,5% according this source:
    https://www.google.com/search?q=vio...rome..69i57.3089j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
    And the crime the cops solve, are ONLY the crimes that get reported. The reported crimes are just a tip of the iceberg.


    All kinds of statistics show that cops arrest black people FAR more often under the same circumstances compared to white. I proved that with 6 different sources in this thread. Driving while black simply is a true thing. Cops can not help themselves to endlessly pull over black people and see if they did something wrong, while statistically it's the whites who run in with more problems with the law. But because cops do what they do, they just end up arresting a heck of a lot more black people.

    It's the same thing with drugs. Whites simply do and deal (slightly) more drugs than black people. And yet, black people end up being arrested +600% more often.


    It's systematic that white people simply get a incredible far lower chance of being arrested and convicted. Even when convicted, they end up with a far shorter sentence under the same circumstances. All that data is out there, that systemic racism simply is true on a massive margin. When people claim that black people get arrested 6 times more often for violent crimes, what else is there to say that the same thing happens with drugs... yet white people are the bigger user and dealer... and that 6 times more often for violent crimes means absolutely nothing?
     
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    There IS no scientific study of racism.
     
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    My opinions DO NOT CONFLICT with this research! Again, they DO NOT CLAIM to know about all of the drug crime!
     
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    So, still no stats to prove the fbi stats are wrong?
     
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    I learned a new word today.....monocausotaxophilia
    It's a cognitive error meaning the love a single idea that explains everything. I think we have some examples here.
     
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    You do not know that. You're assuming this. And you assume this for the sake to undermine the conclusion that there is systemic racism, widespread, in the US.

    In short: your opinion is not relevant and so my sources stand saying systemic racism is all over.
     

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