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Ranked Vote: What are your Favorite Vegetables?

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by Meta777, Apr 16, 2018.

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  1. Kode

    Kode Well-Known Member

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    Ohhhhhhh, it's my anti-virus software. It eliminates most images in this forum "just in case". Sometimes if I click on "Reply" at the bottom right in a post it will show the image in the reply quote. I'll try that. . . . . . . . . . . . . . BINGO!!

    OK so I'm dense. I see the "title" saying "Results (Ranked Pairs - Plurality - Instant Runoff):
    And I see column headers "Rank - Votes - Votes at Elimination - Rank w/TRoL Vote" and I have no idea what all that means or how it relates to the "title" above it.

    I was trying to suggest you post something like:
    "Winner by traditional, existing voting methods - Rutabagas. Runner up - Bean sprouts"
    "Winner by Instant Runoff - Purple potatoes. Runner up - yellow cherry tomatoes"

    Alternatively, a list like.....
    "Traditional vote (first choice frequency, second choice, third choice, etc.)
    1) Carrots - 8 votes
    2) Tomatoes - 5 votes
    3) Corn - 4 votes
    4) Beans - 3 votes"

    Instant Runoff vote     (how do you do columns in a post??? - image a spreadsheet I guess.)
    Ann - Carrots . . . . Bill - Potatoes . . . . Betty - Broccoli . . . . . Mike - (etc)
    . . . . . Broccoli . . . . . . . .Corn . . . . . . . . . . . . . Beans
    . . . . . Lettuce . . . . . . . . .Peas . . . . . . . . . . . . Kale

    etc.
     
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    Kode, Jun 8, 2018
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  2. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Aha! So that's what it was. Glad you were able to figure it out.
    Half the fun in a thread like this, to me at least, is in picking through the detailed results and trying to figure out what they mean.

    Basically, the columns are paired up, first part is option labels, and the next is the number of votes that option received (or rank in RP case).
    The first pair is for Ranked Pairs (RP), second pair is traditional Plurality, and third pair is Instant Runoff (IR).
    And actually, the version I linked you to has a fourth pair....it's Ranked Pairs again, except with TheRehtoricofLife's late vote added in.

    In IR the label in the spreadsheet says "Votes at Elimination". That's because in IR, votes are added to options based on voter preference as others are eliminated. So the numbers in that column represent the highest number of votes that option achieved before it was eliminated or became the last option standing.

    In RP, the label in the spreadsheet is "Rank". To explain this might be a bit complicated, but basically with this method all you really need to know is that the order the options are listed in there represents their overall place. Note the grey highlighting. Options which share the same highlighting and Rank means that those options are tied with one another. Also, note that the lower the Rank, the higher the place. First place has a Rank of 0.

    Traditional Plurality is pretty self-explanatory I think. The label for that one is simply "Votes". Only the top ranked options count here, so the number represents the number of times voters voted for that option as their number one pick.

    Yeah, I think the image has what you're asking for.

    Ranked Pairs Winner: Carrots
    Second Place: Potatoes and Tomatoes

    Plurality Winner: Avocado
    Second Place: Broccoli, Green Beans, Green Peas, and........Okra.

    Instant Run-off Winner: Green Peas
    Second Place: Avocado, Broccoli, Green Beans, and.........Okra again.....

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...rite-vegetables.530698/page-5#post-1069178918

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Jun 8, 2018
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  3. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Yeah......unfortunately, this site doesn't make it easy to put things into columns.
    Which is why I've been using pictures...
     
    Meta777, Jun 8, 2018
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  4. Kode

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    My concern now is that the public won't be interested in any such change unless we can make it simple, clear, and straight-forward for them. I've tried to look at it with what would probably be the less-than-focused attention and interest with which the average person would approach this, and so far, all this experimenting has presented a complicated, difficult-to-follow and confusing examination. It has to be simpler.
     
    Kode, Jun 9, 2018
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    redeemer216 Well-Known Member

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    Lol, I'll bite:

    Corn, Corn, Corn, Tomatoes (controversial vegetable), Lettuce, Carrots
     
    redeemer216, Jun 9, 2018
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Hmm, perhaps you're right. But if that's the case, what would you suggest to simplify things?
     
    Meta777, Jun 9, 2018
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  7. Kode

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    I saw an explanation of IR voting recently and it was pictorial and simple. I'll have to see if I can find such an explanation for each kind of alternative and get back to you.
     
    Kode, Jun 9, 2018
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