Reality Of The True Believers

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  1. ararmer1919

    ararmer1919 Banned

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    I was incorrect when I said WW2, was actually WW1 I was talking about. But you are absolutely wrong about the Brits not helping to rewrite the map in regards to Saudi Arabia. The nation didn't even really exist. It was a spilt up of dozens of different tribes all lead by different warlords and it wasn't until after the fall of the Ottoman Empire after the allied victory in WW1 that Saudis Arabia as we know it today came into being.

    As for you statement about the Mideast being a sleepy backwater. Bull. (*)(*)(*)(*)ing. (*)(*)(*)(*).
     
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    1500 years? People have been killing people for a lot longer than that.

    Hating terrorists conforms our minds to what they want and makes them vastly more important than they merit. We do their bidding from that point onwards.
     
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    ararmer1919 Banned

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    So then what is your complaint?

    So you are saying that we should just lay down any let them kill us? Maybe kill ourselves to make it easier for them? We don't want to give them what they want right?
     
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    No. Extremists' goal is to make us submit to whatever whims of their leaders. To achieve this, they resort to terrorism to make us very, very afraid. The message is "submit or die".
     
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    Almost every western politician and news agency resorts to invoking terrorism to make us very, very afraid. The message is submit to militarism or die.

    Who are the terrorist leaders?
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    You mean ISIS would still exist now if Saddam Hussein was still there?

    Talk about True Believers reality.
     
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    But they respected him, and there was social order. Strange though it might seem to us, rule by fear works extremely well. As a matter of fact, after hearing about the anarchical BLM losers causing nationwide chaos yesterday, we could use a bit of 'rule by fear' here, and before it's too late.
     
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    Name one military regime in the western world.

    Are you saying that terrorists are on the payroll of western governments? And all the major news agencies as well?

    Do you know how looking only to the actions of one side of many in a conflict is called? Not to mention ignoring history going back hundreds of years...
     
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    Not in this form, but yes. There are many actors in the Middle East that are striving to unite all Muslims under the rule of a righteous caliph in a Sharia based state. They exploit every weakness of the existing regimes to further their goals, like the extremist Ayatollahs in Iran or the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

    ISIS exists now because it serves the interests of Assad and his Iranian masters. It gives them a raison d'etre - "look, we fight the evil ones, we're the saviors of the world". No, I'm not saying they invented ISIS, but they surely know how to exploit its existence.

    The Middle East and parts of Africa are experiencing their own religious wars, just like Europe did centuries ago. Our world being much smaller now, with the fast communication and transportation means, their wars spilled over to non-Muslim countries.
     
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    I think it's bigger than that. I think we're looking at Islam's long-declared bid for global domination.
     
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    All western nations are becoming increasingly militarised.

    Terrorists may as well be on the payroll of western governments considering the vast increase in it since the inane 'war on terror' began and if we're to consider the (ab)use of militaries to prosecute wars of aggression, and we should, then for sure terrorists are on western government payrolls.
     
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    Holy cow. that is a lot of terrorist attacks. A world war if there ever was one except the enemies are more like guerilla fighters than uniformed soldiers
     
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    Right. Islamic terrorism is the new normal. Get used to it and stop complaining.
     
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    You need to understand that Islam has never really been "united under the rule of a righteous caliph in a Sharia based state". The 'caliphate' was, in fact, a CHRISTIAN myth used to justify the Crusades which ISIS has adopted as their own.

    A good recent book on the subject is Infidel Kings and Unholy Warriors by Brian Catlos

    It is NOT just anti-American propaganda that ISIS would not exist if Bush had not invaded in 2003. It might not if he had not proceeded to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory immediately afterward, it might even have been prevented if he had not appointed Alwaki as leader, but that invasion was the beginning event of it all.
     
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    This is silly, if you were to simply publish the police blotters of most any 3 large International cities I daresay you'd get a LOT more violence than this. Hell, I'll bet even one would probably match or exceed this in number of deaths over the same time
     
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    Thank you for that. It is reassuring to know that white Christians in general and the US in particular are still the masters of this world.

    Many are still childish enough to believe that Muslims have agency in their future and should be held responsible for their deeds.
     
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    What 3 international cities, you "daresay", experience more violence in a period of 30 days than 1165 people killed and 1803 injured in the name of religion?
     
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    You're out of your damn mind. Many of these incidents resulted in dozens, sometimes hundreds of victims.
     
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    Absolutely false. Isis is a branch off of Al Qadea. AQ existed for nearly 2 decades before the invasion of Iraq. Would Isis as we know it today exist? No. But in some form or other it would at some point in time or other.
     
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    I didn't say it was. I was talking about plans for the future.

    The Middle East is far more complex than that. The triggering event was the contract between al-Saud tribe and Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab in the 18th century. The al-Saud have since never stopped trying to impose this brand of Islam, aggressively spreading extremist wahhabi theology throughout the Muslim and non-Muslim world. ISIS is their ideological baby, and as it often happens, the student outshines his teacher.

    By the way, the al-Saud have already tried to build an Islamic state in then Ottoman ruled Iraq couple of centuries ago. There's nothing new about ISIS from a historical point of view.
     
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    Do you believe this is what Democrats have in store for the USA, Rule by fear? Obama has kept the courts busy with his rules.

    I see Iraq as a long chain of events that had no roots of any kind in GW Bush. I have followed this for many years. I am old enough that I still recall Stalin as a living man. I recall FDR as a living man. I listened as a young boy to FDR talk on the radio.

    The legion of GW Bush bashers act as if he stepped into the job of president with no history of any kind about Iraq on his mind. Saddam himself took over Iraq using violence. From the start he was never what you call a nice person. He would pull out his gun and execute officials in his own group as they explained things to him. General Georges Sada was on that council and once wondered if his talk to Saddam would end up with Sada dead in his chair. Sada told Saddam the truth yet he feared death by Saddam.

    Let's try to dispense with this crazy talk that Saddam was good for Iraq. Saddam was only good for himself. He was such a killer that his own son in law was killed over what he told the allies when he defected from Iraq.

    Bush knew very well what sort of human Saddam was,

    Despite this, and let's see if the Democrat supporting posters recall this, Bush gave Saddam chances to leave Iraq whole.

    Saddam simply turned Bush down.

    Imagine you want a name for an invasion. Bush named the invasion of Iraq, Iraqi Freedom.

    The US assistance to Afghanistan, which the Democrats will clap loudly to, though not an invasion by our troops, was called Enduring Freedom.

    Bush could have used any name he selected. Freedom was the operational term since that was the objective.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Enduring_Freedom
     
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    Bush never appointed any of the Iraqi leadership.

    It is total speculation what is the root cause of ISIS. ISIS has never explained they came about due to Bush. Bush only carried out the Clinton policies if you want root causes.
     
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    No evidence of such a claim.

    Islam has been the aggressor against the west for centuries ISIS is just the latest manifestation

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    Massive fail.

    It is never a valid argument to claim " some one else did something as bad "

    Try again youngster
     

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