Reality Of The True Believers

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  1. nuetral

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    If by peace you mean dismembered into peaces, than sure, there very peacefull.
     
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    Depleted Uranium (DU) Health Concerns
    http://www.disabled-world.com/health/uranium.php

    Health concerns and DU center around the effect on the human body of nano-sized
    ceramic particles of uranium oxide {U238} that are released into the air when DU
    munitions are used in battle. Dr. Rosalie Bertell presented a concise explanation of the
    potential dangers of exposure to depleted uranium (DU). Dr. Bertell stated, "Uranium
    oxide and its aerosol form are insoluble in water. The aerosol resists gravity, and is able
    to travel tens of kilometers in air. Once on the ground, it can be resuspended when the
    sand is disturbed by motion or wind. Once breathed in, the very small particles of
    uranium oxide, those which are 2.5 microns (one micron = one millionth of a meter) or
    less in diameter, could reside in the lungs for years, slowly passing through the lung
    tissue into the blood."

    Another doctor, Dr. Asaf Durakovic, who founded the Uranium Medical Research
    Center, stated that over the course of a year 1 milligram of DU emits 390 million alpha
    particles, 780 million beta particles, as well as associated gamma rays for a total of more
    than one billion high energy, ionizing, radioactive particles and rays that may produce
    extensive biological damage to a person's ovaries, kidneys, lungs, lymph nodes, blood,
    bones, breasts, stomach, and to fetuses. The health concerns, especially for people who
    live in Iraq, are particularly acute because of the young ages of the people being exposed.

    The Department of Defense continues to deny health risks associated with the use of
    DU's, yet it's own actions belie their claims. May 15th of 2003 found Scott Peterson of
    the Christian Science Monitor reporting that in Iraq, "Six American vehicles struck with
    DU "friendly fire" in 1991 were deemed to be too contaminated to take home, and were
    buried in Saudi Arabia. Of 16 more brought back to a purpose-built facility in South
    Carolina, six had to be buried in a low-level radioactive waste dump."

    Studies performed by The Uranium Medical Research Center in Afghanistan show very
    high levels of, 'non-depleted,' uranium in not only bomb craters, but people. Of the
    700,000 United States Veterans from the first Gulf War, greater than 240,000 are on
    permanent medical disability and 11,000 have died. An investigation by Juan Gonzalez of
    the New York Daily News found 4 of 9 soldiers of the 442nd Military Police Company of
    the New York Army National Guard returning from Iraq tested positive for depleted
    uranium (DU) contamination; they are the first confirmed cases of inhaled depleted
    uranium exposure from the Iraq war.

    A study performed in April of 2007 by researchers at the University of Southern Maine
    concluded that, "exposure to particulate DU may pose a significant genotoxic risk (risk of
    genetic mutation) and could possibly result in lung cancer." A paper published in the
    same year in the scientific journal, 'Science of the Total Environment,' found high
    concentrations of DU particles in soil, stream sediments, as well as household dust in the
    vicinity of a DU weapons factory in Colonie, New York 23 years after the plant had
    closed and despite massive efforts at clean up by the U.S. Army Corp of engineers. It also
    presented the fact that traces of DU contamination still remain in the urine of former
    workers and neighbors of the plant.

    According to an article by Robert C. Koehler in 2007, the Veterans Administration
    presented figures of 205,000 soldiers who returned from wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Of
    these soldiers, one-third have sought medical care for issues such as:

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    Chart Showing Ailments Experienced By Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans

    Perhaps the most compelling evidence of all is the sheer number of veterans of the Iraq
    and Afghanistan conflicts suffering physical ailments. In an April 12, 2007 article, Robert
    C. Koehler examined the issue:

    Malignant tumors (1,584)
    Mental disorders (73,157)
    Mystery conditions (67,743)
    Nervous system diseases (61,524)
    Musculoskeletal diseases (87,590)
    Digestive system diseases (63,002)
    Endocrinal and metabolic diseases (36,409)

    Many times these conditions are lumped together under the convenient catch all heading
    of, 'Gulf War Syndrome.' It is very likely that at least some of these illnesses are caused
    by exposure to depleted uranium (DU). The effects of DU contamination may take up to
    10 years to manifest and it is likely the number of veterans who will need medical care
    will be higher than from prior conflicts.

    Dr. Jawad Al-Ali, Director of the Oncology Center at the largest hospital in Basra, Iraq
    stated in a conference in Japan, "Two strange phenomena have come about in Basra
    which I have never seen before. The first is double and triple cancers in one patient. For
    example, leukemia and cancer of the stomach. We had one patient with 2 cancers - one in
    his stomach and kidney. Months later, primary cancer was developing in his other
    kidney-he had three different cancer types. The second is the clustering of cancer in
    families. We have 58 families here with more than one person affected by cancer. Dr
    Yasin, a general Surgeon here has two uncles, a sister and cousin affected with cancer. Dr
    Mazen, another specialist, has six family members suffering from cancer. My wife has
    nine members of her family with cancer. Children in particular are susceptible to DU
    poisoning. They have a much higher absorption rate as their blood is being used to build
    and nourish their bones and they have a lot of soft tissues. Bone cancer and leukemia
    used to be diseases affecting them the most, however, cancer of the lymph system which
    can develop anywhere on the body, and has rarely been seen before the age of 12 is now
    also common."

    The U.S. Army's own contractor, Doug Rokke, who headed a clean up of depleted
    uranium (DU) after the first Gulf War stated, "Depleted uranium is a crime against God
    and humanity." Mr. Rokke went on to state that when his crew went to the Gulf they were
    all very healthy people, yet after performing clean up operations, 30 members of his staff
    died and the majority of the others, to include Mr. Rokke himself, "developed serious
    health problems."Mr. Rokke has reactive airway disease now, as well as neurological
    damage, kidney issues, and cataracts.

    How Bad Does it Get

    Doctors in southern Iraq are making comparisons to the birth defects that followed the
    atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in WWII and have numerous pictures of
    infants who have been born without brains, internal organs outside of their bodies, no
    sexual organs, no spines, and other deformities. Birth defects of these kinds were
    exceptionally rare in Iraq before the large scale use of DU weapons; now they are
    commonplace. Mothers no longer ask, 'Doctor, is it a boy or a girl' Instead they ask,
    'Doctor, is my child normal'

    Before her death from leukemia an accomplished Iraqi author and artist, 'Nuha Al Radi,
    author of the, 'Baghdad Diaries,' wrote, "Everyone seems to be dying of cancer. Every
    day one hears about another acquaintance or friend of a friend dying. How many more
    die in hospitals that one does not know? Apparently, over thirty percent of Iraqis have
    cancer, and there are lots of kids with leukemia. The depleted uranium left by the U.S.
    bombing campaign has turned Iraq into a cancer-infested country. For hundreds of years
    to come, the effects of the uranium will continue to wreak havoc on Iraq and its
    surrounding areas."

    A special adviser to the World Health Organization, the United Nations, and the Iraqi
    Ministry of Health, Dr. Ahmad Hardan, documented the effects of depleted uranium
    (DU) use in Iraq. Dr. Hardan stated, "American forces admit to using over 300 tons of
    DU weapons in 1991. The actual figure is closer to 800. This has caused a health crisis
    that has affected almost a third of a million people. As if that was not enough, America
    went on and used 200 tons more in Bagdad alone during the recent invasion. "
    The military is aware of depleted uranium's harmful effects on the human genetic code. A
    study performed in 2001 related to DU's effect on DNA was done by Dr. Alexandra C.
    Miller of the Armed Forces Radiobiology Research Institute in Bethesda, Md. And
    indicates that DU's chemical instability causes 1 Million times more genetic damage than
    would be expected from its radiation effect alone. We are poisoning the people of Iraq
    and Afghanistan, yet we are making a concerted effort to keep out specialists from other
    nations who can help. The U.S. Military does not want the rest of the world to find out
    what we have done.

    A Limited Strike on Syria

    The question of whether or not Syria's government has used chemical weapons on its
    own population is one that may or may not be answered adequately. What comes to mind
    is the question of the devastation the United States of America would leave in the wake
    of even a limited strike on Syria using any kind of weaponry containing depleted
    uranium. The United States of America has already left apocalyptic devastation in two
    Middle Eastern nations, Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as killing and wounding its own
    soldiers and military contractors, leaving behind cancer and major health issue causing
    depleted uranium that can cause horrifying consequences for years to come in these
    nations.

    Perhaps we should all play poker on our iPhones and simply ignore the call for further
    devastation. Maybe we should align ourselves behind the patriotic call to support yet
    another military strike on a nation that presents no real threat to Americans at home.
    Maybe we should ignore the civilians in other nations that American tax dollars paid to
    kill, maim, and wound, as well as the veterans this nation continues to under-serve.

    Resources and Citations:

    Depleted Uranium, VA Perspective
    http://www.publichealth.va.gov/exposures/depleted_uranium/index.asp

    So far no health problems associated with DU exposure have been found in Veterans
    exposed to DU. Researchers and clinicians continue to monitor the health of these
    Veterans. Veterans may be eligible for VA disability compensation benefits and health
    care benefits for health problems associated with depleted uranium in military service.

    Depleted uranium used by US forces blamed for birth defects and cancer in Iraq

    http://rt.com/news/iraq-depleted-uranium-health-394/

    The US military's use of depleted uranium in Iraq has led to a sharp increase in
    Leukemia and birth defects in the city of Najaf - and panicked residents are fearing for
    their health. Cancer is now more common than the flu, a local doctor tells RT. The city of
    Najaf saw one of the most severe military actions during the 2003 invasion.

    Depleted Uranium

    http://web.ead.anl.gov/uranium/guide/depletedu/index.cfm
     
  3. MississippiMud

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    Western Europe as we know it today might not exist if the US lead invasion and occupation of France in 44 had never happened.

    Win some, lose some.
     
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    Russian apologists typically worship at the alter of pro-Russian propaganda which, as we all know, is not worth bucket of warm spit. The Federation Of Russian Fascist States are an enemy to all the free peoples of the world and the sooner they realize that, the sooner they can take protective measures to insure their collective security.
     
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    Actually, what you are doing is obfuscating and redirecting in order to protect a left-wing Democrat voting bloc. How is car accidents "perspective" for radical jihadist terror attacks? To those of us on the right, that makes absolutely no sense.
     
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    Lmfao. You cite places like veteranstoday, globalresearch and RT and yet you expect us to take you seriously. That's (*)(*)(*)(*)ing funny. Not one of those links was to an authentic peer reviewed study. Once again you fail epicly.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you were to have read the OP you would have noticed that the hate is being spread BY Muslims. They are the haters, not those reporting on their hatreds. As well, these ongoing killings, rapes, beheadings, stonings, burnings, etc. have nothing to do with the US or its foreign policy.
     
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    I see most hatred being spread by older white men, actually. I think they're afraid they're losing their default status as 'top guy amongst all the guys' yahooism.

    Older white men also tend to hold only Muslims culpable for cultural practices.

    Some even pretend these practices - beheadings, rapes, burnings, stonings, and all the rest - are never and have never been practiced by older white men.

    They often bellow this nonsense from atop a platform which has it that the most obese military on the planet is somehow in dire straits and needs a lot more funding in order to bury more children under rubble, decapitated more of them, burn them, and often times rape their mothers in the 'fog of war' which allows it all.
     
  11. Eadora

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    So now that you have been forced to ADMIT that "there are some potential health hazards" with
    the use of DU, I suggest that you refer again to the Valid Links which refer to the work done by
    several Scientists and various the Scientific Studies that point to exactly what those potential
    ...................................................................................................................... hazards might be.

    Namely
    Nano Sized Insoluble Radioactive Ceramic Dust, that has been found to be able to migrate
    for miles from its where it was formed by its use in weaponry. And when this highly toxic,
    radioactive dust is breathed in, or absorbed through the skin due to its tiny size it will home
    to, and begin to irradiate a specific spot 24/7 - Because of insolubility of its ceramic form there
    is little chance of it being quickly excreted, and studies have shown that it can reside in the body
    ................................................................................................. for several years after exposure

    Potentially, it could be a Brain, could be a Kidney, could be a Lung - Good Luck to Yah !

    But fear not, Soupy says - "Precautions have been taken.! " - Be pleased to tell us what those
    "Precautions" are - Please tell us how you mitigate against innumerable TONS of NANO sized
    radioactive particulate with a half life of 4 Billion years :steamed: - Give us a Link to the Fact of these
    "Precautions" and how they are working out for the people of Iraq who will be exposed to this
    ................................................................."Potential Hazard" for the next several Billion Years

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    & where does that Link cite Russia Today ? - & you find bought & paid for DOD POOP
    ................................................................................. more trust worthy than Independent ? :roflol:


    It is a Valid study and your naked denial of it only marks you "Willfully Ignorant" and
    so damages your cause. - We saw the same sort of Specious Studies as your refer us
    to here, bought & paid for by the DOD about how Agent Orange would be safe to use
    Monsanto pulls the same sort of Crap in efforts to protect their Cancer causing Glyphosate

    It is well known that the DOD has funded many Pseudo Scientific Studies that were meant
    to polish the Turd we know as Depleted Uranium - They had to - For if they admitted as to its
    pernicious nature, that would make them Liable to the Gross effects it has had upon Veterans
    and the people of Iraq Your study dates back to 2002 when the DOD was busy paying out to
    Justify its use. But proof that they KNEW, without a doubt before hand, of the Potential problems
    ........................................................................that DU would eventually cause, may be found here

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    Depleted Uranium Cover Up
    http://www.hermes-press.com/depluran.htm

    Government officials insisted that the use of depleted uranium in missiles, shells, bullets,
    and armor plating did not contribute to Gulf War Syndrome. The Rand Corporation
    announced that there was no evidence for radiation illness or kidney disease attributable
    to depleted uranium exposure.

    Both government officials and Rand associates should have known better. As early as 1990,
    the defense establishment realized that depleted uranium, a radioactive, toxic heavy metal,
    presented health risks for troops and civilians in combat areas. A July 1990 report from the
    U. S. Army Armament, Munitions and Chemical Command noted that depleted uranium is
    linked to cancer when exposures are internal. Another report by the AMCCOM (the army's
    radiological task group) states that long term effects of low doses of depleted uranium have
    been implicated in cancer and that "there is no dose so low that the probability effect is zero."

    The plant at Oak Ridge, Tennessee, as a by-product of its uranium enrichment program,
    funneled much of its depleted uranium into Gulf War weaponry. Disease and mortality studies
    from Oak Ridge tend to nullify both the defense establishment's and Rand Corporation's bill of
    clean health for DU. Forty years after the wives of some Oak Ridge workers complained of
    their husbands' burning semen, the wives of Gulf War veterans made the same complaint. In
    the Oak Ridge neighborhood, there is a high rate of chronic fatigue syndrome, amyotrophic
    lateral sclerosis, and immune dysfunction, the most frequently reported symptoms of Gulf
    War veterans

    As for the defense establishment's assertion that chemical exposure to DU was insignificant,
    Dr. Asaf Durakovic, who in 1991 was chief of the Nuclear Medicine Clinic at the Veterans
    Affairs hospital in Wilmington Delaware, discovered significant evidence of uranium exposure
    in his patients, severe pathology of the renal and geneto-urinary systems. After two of the
    Gulf War patients died, Dr. Durakovic insisted on expanding the tests. He wanted samples of
    the patients' skeletal systems. The tests were not performed, medical charts disappeared, the
    uranium Registry Office was dismantled, and Dr. Durakovic was laid off in 1997. (Dr. Durakovic
    is presently professor of radiology and nuclear medicine and radiology at Georgetown
    University.)

    For six years, the official line was that Gulf War veterans reporting a variety of symptoms
    (brought together under the NEWet term "Gulf War Syndrome") were all suffering from
    wartime stress. In October 1997, a House panel disputed the conclusions of the president's
    Advisory Committee on Gulf War Veterans' Illnesses, finding "no credible evidence" that
    wartime stress contributed to the Gulf War Syndrome. The House panel pinpointed toxic
    agents, including nerve gases, vaccines, pesticides, smoke from oil well fires, and depleted
    uranium from spent U. S. anti-tank shells. (About 320 tons of depleted uranium were fired by
    tanks or aircraft in the Gulf War.)

    The defense establishment maintained that the Iraqis might be responsible for the toxic
    agents, but the Army Surgeon General's office immediately declared that only 35 veterans had
    been internally exposed to depleted uranium and that further testing was unnecessary. By
    January 1998, the Pentagon's Office of the Special Assistant for Gulf War Illnesses revised the
    number of exposures in announcing that troops unaware that depleted uranium
    contaminated equipment (such as enemy vehicles disabled by DU rounds) required special
    handling. "The failure to properly disseminate such information to troops at all levels may
    have resulted in thousands of unnecessary exposures."

    Yet in April 1999, Harold Heilsnis, Director of Public Communications for the Pentagon, told
    the Sierra Club of Canada, "To the best of my knowledge, we are not using these rounds (DU)
    in the Balkans. We would not hesitate to use these rounds however, as we are confident they
    pose no risk to human safety or the environment."

    In December 2000, NATO officials said that U.S. aircraft fired more than 10,000 depleted
    uranium projectiles in Bosnia and Kosovo. The governments of Italy, Belgium, Holland, Spain,
    and Finland, and Turkey expressed alarm over illnesses developing in returning troops, but the
    UK Ministry of Defense blandly responded that there is no scientific evidence linking depleted
    uranium to the deaths of alliance soldiers.

    In January 2001, Edward N. Luttwak, a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and
    International Studies in Washington, expressed contempt for a study in Kosovo conducted by
    a United Nations' environmental team, declaring that it had " provided quite enough farcical
    entertainment." After trotting out the misleading observation that there is more natural
    radioactivity in many homes in the United States and Europe than in an M1 tank armored with
    depleted uranium, Luttwak alludes to the "carefully monitored" 33 American soldiers
    wounded by depleted uranium fragments who are not suffering from any form of radioactive
    disease. Littwak denied the possibility that any Balkans service personnel had contracted
    leukemia from depleted uranium. "If DU armor is shattered in war, particles could be
    ingested. The result would not be leukemia but chemical poisoning, its severity depending on
    the amount of particles. That is why after the 1991 Gulf War, troops that came into contact
    with fragmented DU in examining destroyed Iraqi tanks wore face masks."

    The militarists' tactics of condescension, diversion, and denial are wearing thin. The questions
    surrounding DU cannot be answered by those wholly concerned with "national security". The
    manifest dangers of depleted uranium concern everyone on the planet.

    Dr. Rosalie Bertell, President of the International Institute of Concerns for Public Health,
    among the most respected researchers to advocate banning DU weaponry, has tirelessly
    informed the general public about the dangers of depleted uranium. Her lecture presented to
    the Hague Peace Conference, May 1999 appears on the web at http://ccnr.org/du_hague.html
    and should be required reading for anyone who is gullible enough to believe in the veracity of
    public officials.

    How radioactive is depleted uranium? Bertell says, "The difference in radioactivity between
    natural and depleted uranium is that given equal quantities, depleted uranium has about half
    the radioactivity of the natural mixture of uranium isotopes. However, because of the


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    The DOD wanted depleted uranium, so the DOD got Depleted Uranium they simply spent
    a lot of money to create a lot of Smoke & Mirrors to hide its pernicious effects

    And you Exceptional Americans like easy Marks fall for the same sort of Shell Game over
    & over again as you, with 'Willful Ignorance' believe the Crap fed to you by an out of control
    Military Industrial Complex that drives the USA into its indefensible Immoral Wars

    Murdering peasants in places like Afghanistan with drone attacks, & bombing whole countries
    ............................... into the stone age in places like Libya, & Iraq, with specious Justifications -
    .............................................................................................. "Facts made to FIT the Policies" :steamed:

    & then you Churlish Puppets believe them when they tell you, that you are Hated because of
    your Freedoms - Truly America seems to be becoming a Cesspool of Morally Bankruptcy
    ......................................................................................... YOU PEOPLE ARE THE PROOF OF IT
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    Eadora Well-Known Member

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    The gutter puddle depth of your response is duly noted. I strongly suggest you
    put on your best suit and familiarize yourself with your mirror, where you will meet
    ....................................................................................... FAILURE Face to Face :mrgreen:


    What you see is a Poor Chump splashing in a puddle, thinking he is in the Deep End with
    a one liner of ridicule & insult, the best that he can do :roflol: At least the Pizza came up with a Link :clapping:


    You must have missed these - Review :roll:
    Other Valid Scientific Studies found in prestigious peer reviewed Scientific Journals
    not under the pay & thumb of to DOD that point to the same problem

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    The Toxicity of Depleted Uranium
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2819790/

    Abstract
    Depleted uranium (DU) is an emerging environmental pollutant that is introduced into the environment
    primarily by military activity. While depleted uranium is less radioactive than natural uranium, it still
    retains all the chemical toxicity associated with the original element. In large doses the kidney is the
    target organ
    for the acute chemical toxicity of this metal, producing potentially lethal tubular necrosis.
    In contrast, chronic low dose exposure to depleted uranium may not produce a clear and defined set
    of symptoms. Chronic low-dose, or subacute, exposure to depleted uranium alters the appearance of
    milestones in developing organisms. Adult animals that were exposed to depleted uranium during
    development display persistent alterations in behavior, even after cessation of depleted uranium
    exposure. Adult animals exposed to depleted uranium demonstrate altered behaviors and a variety of
    alterations to brain chemistry. Despite its reduced level of radioactivity evidence continues to
    accumulate that depleted uranium, if ingested, may pose a radiologic hazard.
    The current state of
    knowledge concerning DU is discussed.


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    Depleted Uranium May Stop Kidneys “In Days”
    https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2024-depleted-uranium-may-stop-kidneys-in-days/

    Soldiers who inhale or swallow high levels of depleted uranium (DU) on the battlefield
    could suffer kidney failure within days, according to a new report from the one of the
    UK’s premier scientific bodies, the Royal Society
    . There are also long term risks for
    children who play in heavily contaminated areas, it says.

    The high density of DU helps shells pierce armour and about 270 tonnes of it have
    been fired during wars in the Gulf and the Balkans in the last decade. Arguments
    over the potential risks to human health and the environment have raged ever since.

    The Royal Society published a report on the radiological hazards in 2001, which
    concluded that troops in a tank who survived being hit by a DU shell could double
    their risk of dying from lung cancer. Now the society’s team of 11 experts has
    produced a second report on the chemical and long-term environmental risks.

    It concludes that most soldiers would not take in enough DU to damage their kidneys.
    But it points out that those in hit tanks, or who spend time cleaning them up, could
    suffer heavy metal poisoning.

    “K idney uranium levels in some of these soldiers could be very high and would probably
    lead to kidney failure within a few days of exposure,” the report warns. There is also a
    danger of damage to reproductive health, which has been observed in mice.

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    Depleted Uranium Scientific Basis For Assessing Risk
    http://www.helencaldicott.com/depleted.pdf

    An Excellent Paper that makes bold attempts to be objective

    From the Paper

    In January 1993 a study done by the United States General Accounting Office (GAO) stated that
    “inhaled insoluble oxides stay in the lungs longer and pose a potential cancer risk due to radiation.
    Ingested DU dust can also pose both a radioactive and a toxicity risk.”112

    A 1995 study by the Army Environmental Policy Institute (AEPI) reiterated the negative health
    effects stating that “if DU enters the body, it has the potential to generate significant medical
    consequences. The risks associated with DU in the body are both chemical and radiological.”
    113 In the report, the AEPI went on to more specifically explain that “soluble components migrate
    throughout the body,” and in particular “uranium concentrates in the bone, kidney and liver… [
    the kidney is the] broadly accepted…critical organ for uranium toxicity.”114

    &
    The virtually unanimous conclusion of all investigative and scientific bodies that have looked into
    this issue isthat DU fragments and contaminated equipment should be cleaned up and civilian
    access, especially from children, should be prevented.

    • Lab research on alpha emitters, conducted by several major universities, show unusual levels
    of cellular andchromosome damage as a result of exposure to even low levels of alpha radiation.

    • Animal research involving implanted depleted uranium shows clear health risks, including tumors
    and reproductive effects.

    • Children, because they are extremely sensitive to both chemical and radiation toxicity, are
    particularly at risk of harm from exposure to depleted uranium


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    The Health Effects Of DU Weapons In Iraq
    An Excellent Informative Resource on Topic Of Health Effects Of Depleted Uranium
    By: Thomas M Fasy MD, PHD - Mound Sinai School Of Medicine NYC

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4124449



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    If you had read more carefully you would notice that this is all theory.

    The doctors involved in this research consistently claim that such particles CAN cause long term health damage or that they are ABLE to travel great distances.

    Sorry but this does not support your lost cause.

    Once again you have failed to provide any empirical or scientific evidence that it HAS caused such long term damage in Iraq

    - - - Updated - - -

    Once again you fail to provide evidence as asked that Du ordnance has caused any long term harm in Iraq.
    All you have done is show what I have said all along that there was always cause for concern but no evidence of long term damage.

    Epic fail for you AGAIN
     
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    No I do not now admit anything.

    I have been consistently stating all along that some POTENTIAL for health hazards has always been recognized by the DOD and others for the use of DU ordnance.

    What you have failed to do consistently is provide any evidence that use of such ordnance caused any such harm.

    As I said from the beginning everything has risks but Du weapons have not been shown to cause any more harm in the long term than diesel fumes have.
     
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    We watch amused as the Puppets Dance & rattle about :mrgreen: wind-up toys for the DOD

    Maybe you think your status as a True Believer in DOD Absurdities will give you
    ..... cover from the Atrocities U apologize 4 & defend & make yourself complicit to

    I love watching you marionettes stand before a simple Fact & refuse to perceive it

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    No you are being dishonest And have watched no such thing.

    You have utterly failed to provide fact or evidence and like the real true believer you are yu simply cling to faith.
     
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    Robert, they may claim that now, but when Bush was trying to get the support of other countries against Iraq he blatantly implied that those that did not join in would be left out of sharing Iraq's oil later. Bush also used to comment on how wealthy he would be by the end of his presidency.
     
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    ......I WATCH
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    :mrgreen: YOU DANCE :mrgreen:

    Here let's see you DANCE around this !
    Just one Fact of many that you have entertained us with your Gabot of silly Denial

    Regarding the migration of Radioactive NANO DU Dust
    Review & ask yourself for just one moment
    Why would NY spend 100 million and close a Plant down, when DU Dust was found
    26 miles from the plant, if there was no problem more serious than "diesel fumes" ?

    Let's see you DANCE around that ! :clapping: again



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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually others beat us to the oil. And they outbid us.

    Bush came to office as a wealthy man. I notice no sources for your comments anti Bush.

    BTW, when you hand a president $400,000 per annum, he gets rich pretty fast.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I believe danger of depleted uranium is vastly overstated by those who are anti depleted uranium. The Army uses it as armor plates on tanks.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium
     
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    The Brits had no presence in Saudi Arabia.. and no influence. By 1902 Ibn Saud had come from Kuwait and taken Riyadh.. He'd begun unifying the tribes and driving the Ottoman garrison off the peninsula. You're not alone in thinking the Brits were in Arabia too..
     
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    For your further consideration:

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    U.S. WEAPONS POISON EUROPE
    RADIATION FROM IRAQ WAR DETECTED IN UK ATMOSPHERE

    http://www.nuclearreader.info/chapter6.html

    Apparently DU can travel in the global air stream, so it is not localized. The uranium
    gas and dust circulates in many directions depending on weather and air currents.
    Dangerous levels were measured in England that were determined to have come
    .............................................................................................................. from Iraq.

    &

    “A shocking new scientific study by British scientists Dr. Chris Busby and Saoirse
    ............ Morgan asks: Did the use of uranium weapons in Gulf War II result in the
    ......................................................................................contamination of Europe

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    “After the 'Shock and Awe' campaign in Iraq in 2003, very fine particles of depleted uranium
    were captured along with larger sand and dust particles in filters in Britain. These particles
    traveled in seven to nine days from Iraqi battlefields as far away as 2,400 miles.
     
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    Most Muslims don't want another Caliphate for a couple of reasons.. 1) the last one was a real dud and 2) the countries have different interests.
     
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    Once again you confuse scientific theory with fact.

    Once again you have failed to provide evidence of long term health problems related to Du ordnance.

    You find a small number of people who study the POTENTIAL which is apples and oranges and therefore move the goalposts.

    It is you dancing silly one.
     
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    Al Baghdadi has been interviewed and said that ISIS was born in Camp Bucca Prison in 2004.. It was like a finishing school for former Sunni officers in Saddam's military.. They talked religion and strategy.

    Invading Iraq was simply stupid.. but Bush marginalized the Arabs, oil men, diplomats, historians and even his own military brass... everyone who thought it was a stupid idea including the European.

    The dual citizen neocons are not particularly well informed .. Those clots claimed that Iraqi oil would pay for the war. Even an idiot knows that the oil business HATES a war zone.

    Oh and Bush coached Maliki who spent most of his life in Iran..

    So first Dubya is conned by Chalabi who was working for Iranian interests and then he helps install Maliki.
     

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